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cowboyro
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Re: Priming fresh drywall - leave the dust?

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They don't do it for themselves either. PVA works perfectly to make a solid foundation for wall coverings.

Surface Preparation
New Drywall/Wallboard:
Sand tape joints smooth
and even with the drywall or wallboard. Using a
damp cloth or sponge, wipe tape joints and all
wallboard surfaces to remove all sanding dust. Be
sure to remove all chalky residue before priming
.

»www.valsparpaint.com/exp ··· imer.pdf
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said by cowboyro:

said by 66860111:

They don't do it for themselves either. PVA works perfectly to make a solid foundation for wall coverings.

Surface Preparation
New Drywall/Wallboard:
Sand tape joints smooth
and even with the drywall or wallboard. Using a
damp cloth or sponge, wipe tape joints and all
wallboard surfaces to remove all sanding dust. Be
sure to remove all chalky residue before priming
.

»www.valsparpaint.com/exp ··· imer.pdf

Sure they want people to make stuff as perfect as possible to avoid warranty issues. What manufacture would recommend anything but the absolute best case scenario for their product? They'd be stupid not to recommend 'ideal' situations which benefit them.

"Use a paint paddle or mixing blade to stir primer thoroughly."
They say nothing about shaking the can to mix even with a professional paint shaker. Does that mean if the paint is mixed by shaking it won't work?

"Clean up with warm, soapy water."
What if I use cold water? Does that mean it won't clean up?

"Brush – Use premium quality polyester brush.
Roller – Use a premium quality polyester roller with 1/2 to ¾-inch nap."
What if I use economy/budget stuff? What if I don't use polyester?

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It's " Be sure to remove all chalky residue before priming".
Of course builders are free to cut corners (and they don't miss any opportunity) since they get paid by the project, not according to results.

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said by cowboyro:

It's " Be sure to remove all chalky residue before priming".
Of course builders are free to cut corners (and they don't miss any opportunity) since they get paid by the project, not according to results.

Yes. Exactly.
Builder grade / spec is not what you want when you're trying to do a good job.
Builder grade / spec = bare minimum.
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said by cowboyro:

It's " Be sure to remove all chalky residue before priming".
Of course builders are free to cut corners (and they don't miss any opportunity) since they get paid by the project, not according to results.

"Use a paint paddle or mixing blade to stir primer thoroughly."
They say nothing about shaking the can to mix even with a professional paint shaker. Does that mean if the paint is mixed by shaking it won't work?

"Clean up with warm, soapy water."
What if I use cold water? Does that mean it won't clean up?

"Brush %u2013 Use premium quality polyester brush.
Roller %u2013 Use a premium quality polyester roller with 1/2 to ¾-inch nap."
What if I use economy/budget stuff? What if I don't use polyester?

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You're obviously free to use any materials, any level of prep, and any technique that you choose. The finished product will reflect your choices.

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said by 66860111:

"Clean up with warm, soapy water."
What if I use cold water? Does that mean it won't clean up?

In my experience cold water doesn't clean paint nearly close to warm soapy water. So no, it won't clean.
said by 66860111:

"Brush %u2013 Use premium quality polyester brush.
Roller %u2013 Use a premium quality polyester roller with 1/2 to ¾-inch nap."
What if I use economy/budget stuff? What if I don't use polyester?

Besides the fact that it will look like crap you mean?
The cheapo rollers leave lint behind.

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said by robbin:

Yes, but even with PVA I remove the dust with a brush or air before priming.

+1

I use a broom and a shopvac, and clean off the walls quickly before i prime...

They aren't pristine, by any means, but takes off the worst of it.
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said by cowboyro:

said by 66860111:

"Clean up with warm, soapy water."
What if I use cold water? Does that mean it won't clean up?

In my experience cold water doesn't clean paint nearly close to warm soapy water. So no, it won't clean.

Drama queen? I never use anything but cold water for clean up. It's worked great for almost 30 years now.
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said by 66860111:

"Brush %u2013 Use premium quality polyester brush.
Roller %u2013 Use a premium quality polyester roller with 1/2 to ¾-inch nap."
What if I use economy/budget stuff? What if I don't use polyester?

Besides the fact that it will look like crap you mean?
The cheapo rollers leave lint behind.

Premium stuff just removes some of the skill required to do a good job but as long as the nut behind the brush has the skills cheapo stuff work fine. Crap work is a direct reflection on the nut behind the work.

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Whats PVA? Is killz 2 pva? It says on killz primer to clean all dust, even use a mild TSP solution.

I've thoroughly clean walls after wallpaper removal but new construction used a damp sponge to get all the dust.

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Crappy rollers will shed on the wall. It will not be fine unless one has really low standards.

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said by what the:

I worked in construction and I never seen the sheetrock workers or the painters clean dust off the walls.

Was it their own home they were building?

No! I worked in commercial buildings in New York.
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Crappy rollers will shed on the wall. It will not be fine unless one has really low standards.

You're still at it? ROFLMAO
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Just because construction workers do things a certain way, doesn't mean it's the right way to do it. Also applies to the various TV shows including HH, TOH and others. I've seen stuff on TOH that should have a crime for putting it on TV. They all do it the fastest/cheapest way possible. Manufacturer recommended/required practices are there not only to cover their ass, but to get their product to last/look the best. On the job, whether commercial/residential/government, I have yet to see an installer use backer board when installing a tile shower. At best they just use green board and at worst use regular drywall. Same with DIY/Remodeling TV shows. Only once in a great while do they use backer board. Same with putting tile on a wood floor. Vast majority of the time it goes straight on the wood subfloor. Even worst they use an underlayment of plywood, WTF???

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There is no job that cannot be done too poorly...