Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 11:15 am
Extending to OutbuildingI have my router/AP in my house and decent wifi signal in the back yard. No signal in my steel building. I was going to buy and Engenius outdoor bridge like the ENS202 or ENS500 to capture the wifi signal from inside my house. I would then hardware an AP from the Engenius bridge inside the steel building. Has anyone done something similar to this? I really don't want to buy two ENS's thinking I could just pick up the wifi signal from my house. Hardwiring is not an option. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks |
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aguen Premium Member join:2003-07-16 Grants Pass, OR |
aguen
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2014-Aug-20 1:19 pm
If you are really seriously wanting to do this, you need to provide more detailed info, otherwise you're just a waste of time. |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 2:12 pm
I'm not really sure what additional information is needed. Is there something you don't understand? I think if I have to define what a bridge, router, and access point are, that's not the audience I'm trying to reach.
Router/AP -> Bridge -> AP
I'm really looking for someone who may have used one if the Engenius bridges I mentioned.
Thanks for the reply though. |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. Bill MVM join:2001-10-13 North Las Vegas, NV |
to Kyawa
What is the distance between buildings? Is there any type of cable between the buildings? Do they have a common power connection?
If you need to do wireless, get a pair of 5ghz outdoor devices to make the link between structures. |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 2:49 pm
Its only about 40 feet or so between the house and garage. No cabling or common power between buildings. What 5ghz outdoor devices are you referring to? The ENS500, for example, is a 5ghz bridge. My understanding is that I could use a single bridge to capture the wifi from the house router. Is this inaccurate? Thanks for the reply. |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. Bill MVM join:2001-10-13 North Las Vegas, NV |
You can try a bridge device to create a link from the house to the building. At only forty feet, it should work. It will work better to use 5ghz, otherwise the link will suffer due to interference from other wireless networks.
I wasn't referring to a specific vendor. There are several suppliers of equipment to create outdoor 5ghz links. At only forty feet, though, I would just get some conduit and bury a network cable between the buildings. |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 3:10 pm
Yeah, I hear you but unfortunately that's not an option. I looked for any possible way to pull a run but its just not there. The 5ghz bridges are $60 each at Amazon. I'm thinking the way to go is upgrade to an Asus RT-N66U router and get one ENS500 and hope it works. I guess worse case is I buy a second ENS500. Thanks Bill |
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said by Kyawa:My understanding is that I could use a single bridge... Single bridge? Do you not mean two units to form a bridge? |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 3:39 pm
Yes. Why couldn't the router be the sender and the ENS500 be the receiver? |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. Bill MVM join:2001-10-13 North Las Vegas, NV |
to Kyawa
You could try an aerial run between the peak of each building, using coax or outdoor network cable. But, at forty feet, a wireless link to your main router will probably be sufficient. |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
to Kyawa
You can use one of these: » www.antennas.com/splitstation/to pick up your existing wifi then retransmit it inside the building. $87 » www.doubleradius.com/sto ··· s-2.htmlJust make sure that the two components are mounted back-to-back on the metal wall so they do not "see" each other. Essentially, this is a dual radio bridge, similar in concept to what you originally suggest doing. What brand/model is your existing wifi router? |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 4:05 pm
Thanks John-great info. Ok, since we're getting real detailed, let me lay out the exact detail. There are actually 2 garages: one is a basic block detached 2-car garage; the second is a metal pole building (like a basic Morton building). I need wifi/internet in the pole building. The 2-car garage is the building that is 40 feet from the house and basically has an unobstructed view of the house. I intend to mount a device (bridge) on the outside of the 2-car garage pointed at the room where the router is. Right now, the router is an older Linksys WTR54GS that needs to be upgraded. I will the just run CAT5 from the bridge through the conduit into the interior of the pole building and plug it into another router set us as an AP.
So is the SplitStation still a viable option? I would mount the CPE on the 2-car garage and the wire to the AP in the pole building! |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. Bill MVM join:2001-10-13 North Las Vegas, NV |
Okay, since you have added details which appear to change the equation, lets go back to the beginning.
Is there ANY cabling of ANY type between the house and the block garage? Does the garage have power? If so, from where? |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
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The SplitStation uses USB to connect between the two devices, so that is a limitation. You will need to extend the first radio to the second, and it sounds like that is a bit of distance away, so Cat5 is the option there. You could also use a UBNT Loco radio rather then the Eugenius to save a few bucks: » streakwave.com/Itemdesc. ··· ocoM2-USDo you already have the other AP that is going in the pole barn? |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
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No cabling. Low Voltage is my business. I've exhausted this option. Power maybe but I haven't seen those devices work yet. Enlighten me. Thanks |
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I thought the Ubiquiti stuff had to be managed. I looked at their stuff years ago.
I could pull a USB cable between garages.
I have several spare APs.
Thanks |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
The Loco needs to be configured, just like any other device. No controller, as such, is required. I think it would work just fine.
USB has distance limitations. The SplitStation is a device for a specific set of applications. Can you see the router in the house from the pole building? Maybe the SplitStation could be installed on THAT buidling. |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2014-Aug-20 4:52 pm
Actually, I'm itching to try an Ubiquiti product out. No the router is not in a room on the back of the house but like I said, signal is good and should be even better with a new router.
So I would mount the Loco on the garage pointing to the house and then run CAT5 to the pole building and connect to my 2nd AP? I'm assuming I configure the Loco as a client bridge?
Thanks John.
Bill, still interested in powerline if you've used it. |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. Bill MVM join:2001-10-13 North Las Vegas, NV |
said by Kyawa:Bill, still interested in powerline if you've used it. I've used powerline to connect two buildings about 150 feet apart. One building was fed from the breaker panel in the other building. The link speed was just over 100mb using the Trendnet kit listed below. Before those, I used a Zyxel 200mb powerline kit and got a link speed around 70mb. TRENDnet Powerline 500 AV Nano Adapter Kit, TPL-406E2K |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
to Kyawa
Powerline will work if you have all the buildings on the same panel fed from the same transformer.
Pole > house > garage > shop will work.... |
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said by Kyawa:So I would mount the Loco on the garage pointing to the house and then run CAT5 to the pole building and connect to my 2nd AP? I'm assuming I configure the Loco as a client bridge? Yes, and Yes. |
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bbbc join:2001-10-02 NorthAmerica |
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Powerline adapters for $25 will probably be the best and easiest solution. » www.newegg.com/Product/P ··· 33156417 |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2015-Apr-23 8:05 am
Ok, I'm back. Powerline didn't work. I'm looking at the Ubiquiti R5AC-Lite. I'm wondering if I need 2 or if I can use 1 and grab signal from the main router,. The distance is maybe 50 ft. Any input? |
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how much speed do you need? what is your internet package speed? do you plan to do lan transfers?
otherwise get 2 locom5 and call it a day it will be good up to about 90Mbit |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2015-Apr-23 1:03 pm
I think the locoM5 may work except clear LOS may be an issue. |
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how bad is the obstruction? |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2015-Apr-23 1:26 pm
I'll take pics and post. |
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REALLY dumb question... if all you are talking about is 40feet why not get 100ft of exterior grade shielded cat 5 cable? (You can get lengths up to 300 feet if needed.)
What I would do is bury the cable with a good ground one side minimum. (There should be an exposed wire you can clip the ground to close to the plug end to ground the shield.)
Keep the wrt54g in the pole barn and get a new router in the house.
The wrt54g works really well as an access point. Turn off dhcp and plug the port one on the switch side (do not use the wan jack) into your upstream router. Configure wireless etc. as usual. I'm doing the same thing right now in my house where the wireless signal from the dirt cheap frontier DSL modem does not reach the other side of the house properly. |
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Kyawa Premium Member join:2006-01-26 Middletown, MD |
Kyawa
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2015-Apr-23 2:15 pm
Trust me, I'll explored this option. I attached an aerial. The 3 buildings on the left are the buildings. It's all gravel and the back shop is the place I want to extend to. Thanks |
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highlight where you plan to put the antenna's |
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