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Live CRTC - pick and pay |
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Yup and watch the fur fly when Rogers and Bell butt heads over this issue. They both want their own ideas implemented which are radically opposed to each other's plans for how things should get done. |
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One day, you'll try to play a Youtube video... * The DNS request from your computer for youtube.com will be intercepted and re-directed to youtube.ca * the actual video will be preceded by a Canadian Tire commercial * instead of the high-res original youtube.com video, you'll see a brutally recompressed, grainy, macro-blocky, low-bandwidth version with a Global bug on the bottom right-hand corner * the first and last 30 seconds will be missing due to being overwritten with promos for upcoming Global programs |
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You forgot that 1/3rd of the screen will be covered with ads. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
said by JMJimmy:You forgot that 1/3rd of the screen will be covered with ads. ADBLOCK, works like a charm, even on my phone |
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No problem with Cancon, (being into the SciFi of things) Orphan Black, Flash, Arrow, Defiance, Falling Skies, all American Shows produced in Canada, just to pick a few recent ones.
I'll finish Longmire tonight, and Graham Greene was on it, he's Canadian. |
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said by elwoodblues:said by JMJimmy:You forgot that 1/3rd of the screen will be covered with ads. ADBLOCK, works like a charm, even on my phone Adblock doesn't work with ads put directly into the video. It's also trivial to detect and force people to uninstall if they want to access the content. |
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Barry join:2008-11-04 Burlington, ON |
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Did you fail to make it in Hollywood? Whether you were a victim of circumstance or have no discernible talent, there are plenty of opportunities in Canadian produced content. We don't believe in stupid things such as quality writing, high production values or ratings and instead beg for money under the guise of patriotism and national identity. |
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and that is the day I will be using a VPN full time :P |
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That I would completely disagree with. Production values are insanely high in Canada, that's one of the reasons Hollywood comes here. It's cheaper than the US for as good or better quality for the investment.
Sure we don't have the run away hits and most of the stuff doesn't get promoted outside of Canada very well. You have to consider economies of scale. If Hollywood is producing movies for $75-225 million excluding marketing that would mean Canadian movies should be running about 8.5 to 25 million. I can not think of a single Canadian movie that has had a movie budget on that scale, let alone that excluded marketing costs. The last Canadian movie I can think of that had a reasonable budget was My Big Fat Greek Wedding - $5 million to make, grossed $368 million. The truth is most Canadian flicks are on micro budgets (not even enough to be called low budget). $600k for Bon Cop, Bad Cop, grossed $13 million. (all amounts are not adjusted & only represent box office not DVD/Bluray/etc)
Make no mistake though, it's not about Canadian culture - it claims to be but in reality it's about money. 200-300 productions per year take place in Canada - that's a lot of jobs and skills being developed to apply to Canadian productions. |
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I've been following this, and my input is, that even if we get a la carte, we will be lubed once again.
Just like the two year contracts such 90% of cell phone plans increase, the Big Boys will find a way to screw the customer.
The bottom line, such I'd like to pay for what I watch, but we will be screwed because that is the business practice. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17
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That's why the indumbents should NOT be permitted to kill OTA. OTA acts as the last check/balance on the rapacious actions of those corporations.
OTA will never see huge market share because people have been brainwashed into believing that cable/fibs is the panacea of delivery, and that they as consumers absolutely must have 200 channels of swill to watch. But OTA will comprise perhaps 10% of the market over time and will be much like indie ISP's in enforcing some small measure of pricing moderation. |
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WhaleOilBeeWhat a long strange trip it's been join:2011-08-02 Manotick, ON 1 edit |
It's not so much the OTA channels I'm concerned with; shows are tied to a single network. It's the 'specialty' channels where the incumbents could get nasty. Since they each own several of these specialty channels, they can move popular shows around to the channels that are not being picked by subscribers. |
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The concept of TV channels is dead anyway. Moving to on-demand services is increasing, where the viewer selects what they want to watch when they want to watch it, and not be concerned what channel it happens to be on or at what time.
This CRTC excercise is a futile thrashing effort to try and perpetuate the current financial status-quo for everyone involved, especially for the CRTC itself. Rogers has a $5B NHL deal they have to pay for over the next 10 years - and the Blue Jays payroll to fund! |
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TwiztedZeroNine Zero Burp Nine Six Premium Member join:2011-03-31 Toronto, ON |
said by MacGyver:The concept of TV channels is dead anyway. I absolutely agree the CONCEPT of having channels is going by the wayside, especially if you're an alternate grey market consumer of streamed media on demand from outside sources beyond the reach of indumbentry. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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Conventional TV is dead, but that said, the Telco's are not going to give up and provide "on demand". You have to remember they own the majority of the conventional TV broadcasters , along with most of the specialty channels.
At the same time the advertising model has to change, right now it's how many eyeballs (and of course age group) are watching a particular show at a specified time.
When you move to On Demand I might watch it at 3am because I have insomnia, or save everything for a rainy/snowy Saturday.
Paying say a dollar to watch that particular show is not going to pay the bills, and much more then that will bring heavy resistance from consumers, which in turn will provide even less revenue.
I for one would not pay for the a news broadcast,since I've read most of the "print" media online during the day, so the 6pm news really doesn't bring much to the table.
Then there is the asinine "Breakfast shows" it's a very slippery slope. |
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said by elwoodblues:Conventional TV is dead, but that said, the Telco's are not going to give up and provide "on demand". They already have. Although the content might be delayed or restricted, it eventually becomes available as a streaming option from their website. My whole family sat down and watched the season premiere of "Highway Thru Hell" on discovery.ca last week, commercial free. And last week my kids watched Amazing Race Canada on ctv.ca because now that school is back in, it's on past their bedtime. In the summer, they could stay up as late as they wanted. |
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Disagree. Cable TV is dying, but conventional broadcast TV is actually making a comeback. Why subscribe to cable when I can get Netflix and rabbit ears can provide me the daily news and sports? |
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Specialty Channels? whats so special? all i see is the same regurgitated programming all over every bloody channel. There is no theme or specialty about most of these channels now. |
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If you want to sit in front of a 24 inch screen watching a 640x480 broadcast , great, I don't. |
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said by taraf:Disagree. Cable TV is dying, but conventional broadcast TV is actually making a comeback. Why subscribe to cable when I can get Netflix and rabbit ears can provide me the daily news and sports? Because they'll cry and scream and petition the hell out of the CRTC to remove OTA ,you watch. |
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It sure was a lot better than the compressed garbage that Rogers is passing for SD cable these days. 16:9 and nobody complained about the PQ on a 46". |
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TwiztedZeroNine Zero Burp Nine Six Premium Member join:2011-03-31 Toronto, ON |
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said by elwoodblues:petition the hell out of the CRTC to remove OTA Not happening, its how they sell adverts for internet and tv ... ... but like I said before if the Canadian stations shut down... fuq 'em just more U.S. stations to pick up instead, unless they declare tv antenna's illegal all of a sudden. Then we'll have riots in the streets. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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said by elwoodblues:said by taraf:Disagree. Cable TV is dying, but conventional broadcast TV is actually making a comeback. Why subscribe to cable when I can get Netflix and rabbit ears can provide me the daily news and sports? Because they'll cry and scream and petition the hell out of the CRTC to remove OTA ,you watch. Shutting down OTA is the same BULLSHIT we fought with all the internet tariffs - double dipping. The fucktards Bell, Rogers, Shaw, Cogeco, Videotron all want to get paid for the advertising time they sell to advertisers, and then they want to force us to pay for the advertising by making us get a cable/fib connection to watch the already bought & paid for advertising. This is why functional separation needs to be enforced. |
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» www.cbc.ca/player/News/P ··· 0189368/Another live feed - CBC is up this time |
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Greedy... CBC wants to shut down OTA, have must carry status on skinny basic, negotiated rates, keep their government funding, cap skinny basic's monthly fee and get an additional 1% of system revenue donated to them.
Wow.. just... like, wow... |
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said by elwoodblues:Because they'll cry and scream and petition the hell out of the CRTC to remove OTA ,you watch. Actually, I just read a transcript of Bell's remarks, and they don't want to remove OTA. They said quite explicitly that the transmitter itself is a very small portion of the operating costs. The real cost of OTA is employees and locally-produced content.... they said they want to shift more towards specialty channels, but keep the OTA content. My guess is, the plan is to see something more like what we already have with CHCH. It's Hamilton-based, but with transmitters in Barrie, Ottawa, Toronto, London, and Hamilton. There is local content on it (well, local to Hamilton), but the transmitters in other cities are just repeaters of the local Hamilton feed. That'll suck for people in small markets wanting local news, but if most of the content you actually watch is the syndicated shows, it won't make a difference. (coincidentally, CHCH is the only OTA station I actually watch with any regularity, since they've got exclusive rights to broadcast Jeopardy! in Ottawa) |
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said by HeadSpinning:Greedy... CBC wants to shut down OTA, have must carry status on skinny basic, negotiated rates, keep their government funding, cap skinny basic's monthly fee and get an additional 1% of system revenue donated to them. Smells like "Ask for more than what you want so you can negotiate down" to me. |
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans join:2002-02-04 Woodstock, ON |
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said by TwiztedZero:... but like I said before if the Canadian stations shut down... fuq 'em just more U.S. stations to pick up instead, unless they declare tv antenna's illegal all of a sudden. Then we'll have riots in the streets. Pretty much already did that with US satellite dishes, so it sure won't stop them from doing it with antenna's. |
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