The religious fanatics that run Iran don't want wireless devices that stream videos, so they are against any tech that makes that possible. Wouldn't want porn to sneak thru their firewalled internet. Or any videos that criticize the religious leaders.
Nope i think we are headed down a very dangerous road in the us. If we do not stop it soon we will see their "law system" in our borders with in 10 to 15 years. Think about it it is already to the point that in schools a christian student is told to hide their cross while other religious groups are allowed to display their own religious icons and items. To tell one of them to hide or remove their stuff can get the teacher suspended. concessions made for muslim students to take time out of class to pray Christians made to remove or hide their crosses etc. So yeh i think we are headed down that road. People are just unwilling to admit it even to them selves.
Yeh i remember when it was not against the rules in school to ware a cross on the outside of your shirt and now well students get threatened with suspension for doing just that. All because it might offend the muslim whos going to pray during class in the gym.
Before this thread gets locked, I want to agree with snsr, but I also agree with you. But it applies to things beyond religion as well. My kids actually are affected by this in school. So even though the intent may be to ensure that kids are "equal", what is really happening is that it's creating resentment.
I won't repeat it here, but my then 11 year old last year started asking me questions with regards to race/religion/etc. that surprised and worried me.
But that is just it. By allowing the Muslim to pray in school but not the christian it is far from being equal. This is exactly what im talking about and why i am worried we will see shiria law through out the us soon enough.. One group Muslims is being allowed to do something (pray) and another group (Christians) are being told that if they do this (ware a cross) or another thing(pray) they will face suspension and or other disciplinary action.
Even though i my self am christian and conservative at that. And even though i fully believe that islam is wrong and that it's adherents will not see their paradise or the christian heaven. I respect their right to believe as they do. My boss is a muslim and i respect his belief and will not tell him or a friend of mine who also worked for me at one point they can not pray. But fair is fair. If the muslim is allowed to pray during school time during class then the christian as well should be able to take the same amount of time to also pray.
How ever this is not the case. Christians are not allowed to and muslims are and this is what scares me about our country.
For me, I'm not terribly fixated on the nuances of the religious or race aspect. It's more about equal treatment and being allowed to exercise our constitutional rights.
Spare me the poor persecuted christian majority meme, followed by paranoia about Muslims taking over America.
How many public schools are there where the baccalaureates or commencements addresses are led by imams and they pray to Allah in violation of the First Amendment, compared to prayers offered by christian ministers to their god also in violation of the First Amendment?
How many Muslims in Texas pushed to have their version of theistic evolution taught as the official state science curriculum?
How many Muslims are pushing for the state to restrict access to certain medical procedures and allow employers to deny employee health insurance for select FDA approved medications based solely on religious grounds?
How many prayers are there to Allah in governmental assemblies compared to prayers to the christian god(s)?
How many monuments to Allah are erected on public property compared to ones for the christian god(s)?
How many official seals of local governmental bodies contain Islamic symbols compared to christian ones?
How many Muslim jihadists are in key leadership positions of the US military compared to christian dominionists?
Yeah, the Muslims are really in danger of establishing a state sponsored theocracy in America! What really is at stake is that the christians like the above poster are pissed if the Muslims get 1/100th of the special privileges and routine violations of church state separation that christians are allowed in America.
Yes allot in fact 2 friends kids were suspended for 2 reasons 1 refusing to hide their crosses under their shirts and 2 telling the teacher that if they had to hide or remove their cross then the Muslims needed to remove their head overing. This is a he where they have a strict dress code.
yeh im sooooo mis informed that 5 seconds on google turned up this on cross suspensions
Texas City student banned from wearing cross necklace
May 14, 2010 - Texas City student banned from wearing cross necklace.
School bans wearing crucifix: More discrimination against ...
Jan 14, 2007 - ... wearing crucifix: More discrimination against Christians January 14, ... the crucifix whatever the consequences %u2013 even if I get suspended or ...
Religious and ethnic clothing in U.S. Public Schools
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance Aug 20, 1999 - This includes the wearing of a necklace containing a cross, crucifix, Star of ... She was suspended for a year from her post as a public-school teacher's aide. ... She is being defended by the Fundamentalist Christian American ...
Moonbattery: Kids Suspended for Wearing Crucifixes
Feb 25, 2008 - In Oregon, wearing a crucifix can now get you suspended from ..
Want to read the full stories google it christian suspended for wearing cross.
And yep i removed all hints of the links because you know what you all want to close your eyes to the issue and be sppon feed every thing im not going to be the guy who spoon feeds any one any thing. It took me 5 seconds on one google search to find all the above and literally 100s of individual cases of students suspended from school because of a cross similar results for praying in school. And i know all about the prayer at the pole crap that is onlly allowed before and after school. Muslims are being allowed to pray during actual classes. If the schools want to allow them to pray then allow christians the same rights. Adjust the class schedule so the one study hall most schools require is during the time muslims typically pray allow them 15 minutes of that period for their prayer allow christians etc all the same. If the student is atheist let him or her has a 15 minute period just to decompress relax for a few minutes etc. Be fair about treatment of students. It is not a big deal most kids goof off during study hall any how it is a pointless period during the day with the main purpose is to let the students take a break from class decompress a bit and maybe even get some studying done. So make it official a 15 minute period each day just to decompress or pray if you so choose.
Name the public school in the US where Muslims can pray in class and Christians can't.
The public showing of a cross in public schools is another matter and I don't see that as anti Christian vs Pro Muslim. If they can wear a cross then they can wear an emblem of gang membership, or signs of Nazi or Klan or Muslim or whatever support. You can't have it just one way here on wearing symbols.
Many public schools have a required time at the start of the day for personal introspection.
Nope i think we are headed down a very dangerous road in the us. If we do not stop it soon we will see their "law system" in our borders with in 10 to 15 years. Think about it it is already to the point that in schools a christian student is told to hide their cross while other religious groups are allowed to display their own religious icons and items. To tell one of them to hide or remove their stuff can get the teacher suspended. concessions made for muslim students to take time out of class to pray Christians made to remove or hide their crosses etc. So yeh i think we are headed down that road. People are just unwilling to admit it even to them selves.
People like you are WHY those laws will be enacted, becasue you are the christian equivalent of the Taiban.
As an athiest that had to put up with christins pushing their crap on my schools as a kid: It's your hell, go burn in it already, you "persecuted" majority with only 80% of the US population.
Yeah because I just force people to pray huh? I just force people to fast for a full month around august sure I do.... Nope guess I don't. What I do force people to do is open their damn eyes. Us Christians are not the ones pushing any thing on people. We want to be allowed to pray to show that yes we are Christians with out fear of being suspended fired or other wise harrased because of our faith. And BTW if chrisans are intact 80% of the population then why is it the case that schools tc do intact disallow or limit prayer and why is it that gov buildings etc ware ripping out any thing remotely christian and all the news reports of more limits. What ever happen to majority rule? Majority vote is suppose to be the deciding factor in voting. Yet the us is fast becoming a fully secular nation. With more and more limits on where and when a christian can be just that. You say we are the majority but I sure do not see that. No one with open eye does.
I posted proof showing the truth of the matter. Yep I stripped out the links because you know what it took me less than 30 seconds to find dozens of unique links about Christians being persecuted in schools and work. While compromises are made for any and all other religions including your personal choice of the blif system of the religion of the atheist aka dawinism
Nope i think we are headed down a very dangerous road in the us. If we do not stop it soon we will see their "law system" in our borders with in 10 to 15 years. Think about it it is already to the point that in schools a christian student is told to hide their cross while other religious groups are allowed to display their own religious icons and items. To tell one of them to hide or remove their stuff can get the teacher suspended. concessions made for muslim students to take time out of class to pray Christians made to remove or hide their crosses etc. So yeh i think we are headed down that road. People are just unwilling to admit it even to them selves.
People like you are WHY those laws will be enacted, becasue you are the christian equivalent of the Taiban.
As an athiest that had to put up with christins pushing their crap on my schools as a kid: It's your hell, go burn in it already, you "persecuted" majority with only 80% of the US population.
If you can't see what he's talking about then you're either not paying attention or being willfully ignorant. At the end of the day, it's not necessarily about religion, but rather equal protection under the constitution.
Here's an anecdote that's not a religious story, but still one of where a minority interest usurps a majority one. A number of years ago, in my son's elementary school there was one child out of almost 600 with a peanut allergy. The parents were able to effect change such that no one in any class or any grade level was able to eat or bring in anything peanut related. At that age, that's all my son was eating for lunch. In fact, at that age, that's all many children eat. Yet for that one person, 599 others were disrupted. Luckily they ended up leaving because they still weren't satisfied.
Another more recent story, but about racial preferences. Recently, my son's middle school has approximately a 2-3% black population. Many of those students get in trouble for disrupting class, being tardy, etc. One day my son was sitting in the administration office because he was late that morning and was going to get a detention. The principal and the assistant principal, when handing out detentions to probably half a dozen of the black kids, were friendly and congenial like they were talking to their best friends--calling them by name and asking when they wanted to take their detentions, etc. No reprimands or hard tone against any of them. Yet when it came to my son's turn, he said that the assistant principal was mean and rude to him.
We also witnessed the above first hand a few days later when we were in the administration office picking up some forms. Several black kids were called into the office for disciplinary reasons and treated like buddies. Let me tell you, this has a very profound effect on an impressionable 6th grader. I'll leave it to your imagination as to how it has shaped my son's attitude.
If we, as a society, think that overtly favoring one class of people over another just to right the wrongs of the past helps anyone, you're sadly mistaken. It simply creates resentment. I see it all the time in the hiring process. A less qualified candidate is hired simply because of racial requirements. Qualifications? Ha, who cares. Gotta fill that quota or up that percentage so that Jessie or Al doesn't come knocking.