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sam to AlanPNJ
Anon
2014-Sep-21 2:34 pm
to AlanPNJ
Re: FIOS horrible Apple download speeds.Changing my dns servers worked for me yesterday (I successfully updated two iPhone's). Today, when I go to update my iPad (using the same PC) I'm back to the 40+ hour download. Anyone smarter than me care to take a guess at what happened. To reiterate, nothing changed in 24 hours (only time). |
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to RJW1678
Give me both DNS's and geo locate and I might be able to.
I will let you know I am in California, and My VZW shows up geolocated in Jersey, which matches exactly what's described above. |
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said by hubrisnxs:Give me both DNS's and geo locate and I might be able to.
I will let you know I am in California, and My VZW shows up geolocated in Jersey, which matches exactly what's described above. I am just south of Wilmington, DE and I used whatever DNS Verizon FiOS and Verizon Wireless 4G/LTE defaults to. I have updated my iPad, my Apple TV and my MacBook OSX thru Verizon Wireless - so I have all my devices updated. I am starting to wonder why I even have Verizon FiOS when I can not use it for Apple updates anymore. Bye Bob |
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your fios does it based on your area, and your VZW is the wild west. probably a lot like mine is. again never been to jersey, but if you geolocated my cell, you would think I was in hoboken |
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I think it is worth it. I like all the new features. Maybe in time performance will improve. If not, like you said, I can go back to iOS7 |
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You can ONLY go back to iOS 7 now, since Apple still has it on their Servers.
I would bet on it, that within a week to two, they will take it off, and you will be then, in a sense, stuck with iOS8.
Unless you sync via iTunes, and save your backup with 7 still on it. Then there is a better chance to revert. If necessary.
Plus, I believe there are other workarounds, but you will need to dig around to find one. |
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to RJW1678
said by RJW1678:Since you are explaining about VPN's vs. not using a VPN, please explain to me why Verizon FiOS takes 30+ hours and Verizon Wireless takes less than 25 minutes - I tried this at my house. My problem was Verizon FiOS, not Verizon Wireless or Apple. Because Apple decides which download server to point you at based on what network and location you are connecting from. Verizon Wireless and Verizon FiOS are different networks, and will therefore get pointed to different download servers. And the one FiOS users get pointed at is overloaded. I will never think that it is Apple's problem! Well, at least you're honest about not letting facts cloud your opinion. |
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Re: FIOS horrible Apple download speeds.said by dfwguy:Because Apple decides which download server to point you at based on what network and location you are connecting from. Verizon Wireless and Verizon FiOS are different networks, and will therefore get pointed to different download servers. And the one FiOS users get pointed at is overloaded Please show proof that this is what is actually happening! |
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to hubrisnxs
Western New York (Amherst, NY). Outside of Buffalo. I was using Google's DNS but I also tried OpenDNS with the same results. |
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Relay
Anon
2014-Sep-21 6:54 pm
Confirmed! Can't download more than 2mb total using 75MB FIOS. I just connected to my work computer using Comcast 50mb cable service and pulled it down in 7 minutes.... |
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serge87
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2014-Sep-21 10:27 pm
said by Relay :Confirmed! Can't download more than 2mb total using 75MB FIOS. I just connected to my work computer using Comcast 50mb cable service and pulled it down in 7 minutes.... You're the second or third person I've seen in this thread who HAS Fios but is resorting to Comcast or Time Warner to download from Apple. Cue the Verizon apologists... |
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to RJW1678
said by RJW1678:Please show proof that this is what is actually happening! Fundamental aspect of how DNS and CDNs work. When you get pointed to a specific DNS name for a server, your PC contacts the DNS server and requests that IP associated with that host. If the server doesn't happen to have that information already cached, it looks up the authoritative DNS server for the domain, and asks that server what the IP is. On something that isn't distributed, that is always going to be the same IP, no matter where you're coming from. No matter where you are, www.dslreports.com is always going to come up as 64.91.255.98. On a distributed network, however, the DNS server knows the IP of your DNS server, and knows that it is coming from Verizon FiOS in the PA/NJ/DE region (because the assigned DNS server is always close to the user to minimize lookup times). It knows that a server at some specific IP has been designated to reach users in that area, based on the ASN or however else they have it divided up. That IP gets returned to the server, and back to you. You connect to it, try to download, and see how that goes. When you switch to Google's 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 (or 4.2.2.1/4.2.2.2, or OpenDNS, or whatever else) you're tricking the server into thinking you're somewhere else, so you get pointed to a different server, one that is less loaded because there aren't nearly as many people hitting that server. The actual distribution of servers and connections from them to various ISPs is a complex, ever-changing game. Akamai and the other big players pay people a lot of money solely to manage that sort of thing, and they've gotten to be pretty damn good at it, and have a lot of big names like Apple, Microsoft, and Neulion (who runs most of the legal streaming sports packages) listed as customers. Apple is just starting to get into the game themselves, and they don't have it all figured out yet, especially when it comes to multi-gigabyte files. |
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SereneH to Relay
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2014-Sep-21 11:26 pm
to Relay
This NANOG poster hit the nail on the head, Apple didn't buy enough or the right capacity into Verizon: » permalink.gmane.org/gman ··· g/124173The good news is there are options... if your router supports static routing and blackholes, you can route 17.253.0.0/16 to the bit bucket there. Otherwise, in OSX you can do something like 'sudo route add 17.253.0.0/16 127.0.0.1' from the command prompt with the same results. (Of course this won't change how your iOS device fetches updates, only your mac.) The OS will fail back to other CDNs and the transfers will be fast. Hopefully Apple will realize the mistake here and go back to using reliable CDNs like Akamai. Their in house one just isn't ready for prime time. |
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freshmanjs
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2014-Sep-22 8:59 am
same problem here. however, if i connect to work VPN first, it's very fast. on exactly same wifi network and using FIOS |
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said by freshmanjs :same problem here. however, if i connect to work VPN first, it's very fast. on exactly same wifi network and using FIOS With how much VPNs have been needed and used on FIOS for Netflix and everything else under the sun, it almost makes me wonder if Verizon should start including " *with VPN" in their ad campaigns for FIOS |
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gadgetboyj Premium Member join:2009-08-25 Staten Island, NY |
to webcobbler
said by webcobbler:You can ONLY go back to iOS 7 now, since Apple still has it on their Servers.
I would bet on it, that within a week to two, they will take it off, and you will be then, in a sense, stuck with iOS8.
Unless you sync via iTunes, and save your backup with 7 still on it. Then there is a better chance to revert. If necessary.
Plus, I believe there are other workarounds, but you will need to dig around to find one. There is a bit of misleading information here. When Apple devices have their firmware updated or restored (to a factory default state), iTunes, or the device itself contacts the Apple "Software Update Server," which looks at the firmware version you're attempting to restore, and some identifying information about the device such as model number and unique ID. The server then returns a SIGNED response telling iTunes or the device that it may proceed along with the update. Usually for a few HOURS (and no longer), does the software update server continue to SIGN releases that are older than the current release. It's a bit more complicated of a process, as people used to simply capture this signature and use it later on if they wanted to install an old firmware, but Apple has since prevented that method from working. To make a long story short, even if you have a backup of your device with iOS 7 on it, once you update to iOS 8, you really are stuck there. There are no workarounds for current Apple devices and firmwares. |
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duffster to AlanPNJ
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2014-Sep-22 11:49 am
to AlanPNJ
for the last 5 days, downloading ios 8 over 50mb verizon fios has taken 60 hrs, then it craps out. this has happened about 12 times. I went to the office, where my internet is on comcast. 21 minutes. my office and house is in the same neighborhood. I am getting rid of verizon fios . everyone in the neighborhood had the same problem . |
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RoughRider
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2014-Sep-22 2:19 pm
said by duffster :for the last 5 days, downloading ios 8 over 50mb verizon fios has taken 60 hrs, then it craps out. this has happened about 12 times. I went to the office, where my internet is on comcast. 21 minutes. my office and house is in the same neighborhood. I am getting rid of verizon fios . everyone in the neighborhood had the same problem . Try the null routing fix suggested above. It's a bit of work, but it works like a charm. |
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to pshifrin
I'm in Long Beach, California. I just downloaded the update for my iPhone via WiFi (I disabled cell system data before I began the download to ensure a WiFi download) and it download in just under nine minutes (which was the initial estimated time). Did I see something out of the ordinary? |
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to nycdave
said by nycdave:Yes, this makes no sense - but I tried Google's DNS without rebooting and I'm also downloading in less than 5 minutes.... Apple is using their own content distribution network (CDN) for this release. Your choice of DNS service can affect which CDN node you use. So, when you used Verizon's DNS, you might be sent to one place. But, when using Google's DNS, you would go to another. Depending on the load on the server and the peering between you and the server, it can really affect your download speed. The worst possibility is that Verizon is using a reverse proxy. So, when you requested the download of the file, Verizon actually sent you the file from their own cache. If their cache server can't handle the load, you get the results you saw. Using a different DNS may or may not avoid a reverse proxy, depending on how it is configured. |
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said by nickfie:Frustration is that while I configured my Actiontec "Home/Office" network with Google DNS, it doesn't distribute those DNS IPs via DHCP. Did you renew your DNS lease after you made that configuration change? Check the documentation for your OS for how to do it. On Windows, this command will do it: ipconfig /renew |
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said by webcobbler:How are the iPad 2's handling iOS 8? I hear that they become very slow and clumsy with it, compared to iOS7. According to some articles I read, they said stay away from it, basically. Plus people on the Apple Support Forums actually reverted back to 7. I upgraded my iPad 2 to iOS 8, and quickly tired of it. I reverted back to 7.1.2 yesterday. I wouldn't recommend it for an iPad 2. I've read the same recommendation elsewhere for the iPhone 4S. However, some have reported their iPhone 5S is actually faster. |
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said by gadgetboyj:The server then returns a SIGNED response telling iTunes or the device that it may proceed along with the update. Usually for a few HOURS (and no longer), does the software update server continue to SIGN releases that are older than the current release. You can us this webpage whether Apple will still sign a previous version: » api.ineal.me/tss/statusAt the moment of this posting, the iPad 2 can still be downgraded to 7.1.2. |
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said by ptb42:said by webcobbler:How are the iPad 2's handling iOS 8? I hear that they become very slow and clumsy with it, compared to iOS7. According to some articles I read, they said stay away from it, basically. Plus people on the Apple Support Forums actually reverted back to 7. I upgraded my iPad 2 to iOS 8, and quickly tired of it. I reverted back to 7.1.2 yesterday. I wouldn't recommend it for an iPad 2. I've read the same recommendation elsewhere for the iPhone 4S. However, some have reported their iPhone 5S is actually faster. Thanks. I wonder if upgrading an iPhone 5 would be worth it. Like would it make it slow faster, sluggish etc. |
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arcampo to Felo
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2014-Sep-22 9:22 pm
to Felo
Great advice. Google DNS server did not work for me. Used the following link: » pcsupport.about.com/od/t ··· vers.htmChose Level3 DNS (209.244.0.3). Downloaded in minutes (instead of hours) |
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More netflix/Verizon madness probablyFor months, traffic through certain peering points between Verizon/aka-alternet and certain other ISPs has been going very, very slowly - much of the time. Other times ir works great. I don't know if it's affecting Apple, but it's hitting Mozilla (ftp.mozilla.org, bugzilla, etc), some box.com URLs, git repo_syncs (to update the huge development trees for FirefoxOS), etc.
When things are good, I get multiple MB/s to those locations. When it's bad, I get 4-16KB/s and then it often stalls.
Even more annoying, successive downloads (see it's slow, stop, then start again a few seconds later) will randomly get a "fast" pipe. |
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BillT to arcampo
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2014-Sep-23 3:56 am
to arcampo
Re: FIOS horrible Apple download speeds.Hi, I tried changing DNS to level3, google, and others...none work. Very frustrating! Even the updates via the app store are slow now. |
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