You do realize that doing bridging/ppoe passthrough skips all of the routing functionality of the device, and removes all these supposed attack vectors?
Just like you, my Sagemcom had something like 5-10 ports open (no telnet lan though, that sounds fishy), using PPPoE passthrough I am down to 1 or 2 that I've forwarded by hand on my actual router, including shutting down TR-069 access. I imagine it's the same case with the SmartRG, apply bridge config, setup your own router, ???, profit.
Once again i agree. You are hitting key points. I have questioned myself whats the point going with TSI if all they do is following the same steps as bell.
Now getting back on track i may have found some light at the end of the tunnel.
Its called AVM FRITZbox and check out this baby. Comes with ikanos chipset as well as broadcom. Runs linux natively as well as 3rd party linux free software and source code is available. Uses busybox.
As for hardware resources we are looking at quite a lot of goodies. Just to start MIPS@500MHz 128MiB 16MiB+512MiB (flash) Serial and jtag access, etc, etc
I have no doubt that we have alternatives however they may not be standard consumer products. Research also points that routers that use the same chipset as the dslams have no reason not to work.
If we are on a stinger/ikanos all we need to know if the specs of that dslam and there are no reasons to have to be stuck with orcs in our lan.
I will keep the AVM FRITZbox on my list as i have been looking into draytek produtcs.
During this reply my modem got rebooted and i may be able to get some info about why it happened later on.
edit: i found someone using this modem/router with bell. Lets see if i get feedback.
Yes i do realize that and i have not excluded the option of using bridging/ppoe passthroug on the short run. Most likely i will use it until switching to the alternative, but i am (we) still stuck with crappy piece of hardware as we all know. This modem has to go sooner or later. none of my ISP connections anywhere use the default ISP recommended provided modems and this will not be an exception. Using my own hardware flavor always paid back better.
Your reply has been of great value. I also found what seems to be bells remote map
quote:Bell Remote map Locations of Bell Canada's Remotes, with designations as to whether they are 7330s (good) or Stingers (bad).
Colors: Pink - Stinger Blue (Default) - 7330 Blue pin - VSEM Purple - Both Stinger & 7330 Purple pin - Both Stinger & VSEMs Yellow - Unknown Green - Bell CO Aquamarine - CSP (Central Splitting Point) for GPON FTTH
I just contributed with a few locations the catalog and have a few more to add in later. Hopefully someone will update the map soon.
On the phone with crapsavvy i am told that i am on the stinker dslam . The first time they told me that there are no 7330's outside. The second time that they have no way of knowing.
However, the dslams that serve the area look like stinkers but they also look to be coupled with 7330's which were added later. If so; there is hope. I am now waiting to confirm from other sources if i have the 7330.
If so; TSI will have to go troubleshoot things with me to see if the problem gets solved and if not as we know; then they can ask bell to look at it and bell will choose what is the best solution. This is the current protocol i am told about it as it looks like that no one can ask bell to change the dslam. Troubleshooting will dictate to the isp what do next.
To me things look quite simple: a) move me to the 7330 if one is there as it looks like it b) replace/exchange my modem for free.
I'm not even sure you can demand what type of remote you're connected to, even if you some how manage to get moved over to one temporarily, Bell can move you any remote it sees fit down the road.
Why do you feel Teksavvy should replace your modem without a fee? You seem to think you're the only person ever to have problems with Stingers. If you're disliking the DSL service so much, and its supported hardware, why not switch to cable?
Why do you feel Teksavvy should replace your modem without a fee?
If we rent the modem and there is a problem; they replace it. What happens when you by an appliance that does not work as advertised ? Why do car manufacturers recall cars sometimes ? If the latest Iphone does not work welwith the service what happens ? Why should we pay for a product that does not work for the service that we pay for ? Why should an ISP be exempted from a policy that is used by the majority of services i get out there ?
If you're disliking the DSL service so much, and its supported hardware, why not switch to cable?
This takes us way off topic just like the rest or the post and reply. Cable has it's tech disadvantages over *dsl* as well as extra disadvantages in regards to the isp chosen. The problem as nothing to do with dsl (type of the service) by it's infrastructure and hardware.
Please lets keep the topic as much as possible on topic as it will benefit us all.
How is suggesting a total infrastructure change off topic? You're clearly not happy with the degree of support you're able to obtain due to non-standard equipment (especially considering you've set your forum epithet to 'crapsavvy customer'). Just because you don't like the option doesn't mean it's not a valid option.
If that is the sole purpose of this thread, it has run its course. You've been told the ones that are known to work, and shot them down for one reason or another, and haven't contributed anything yourself.
Put your money where your mouth is, go buy some VDSL2 modems and tell us how they're not working on your Stinger.
If that is the sole purpose of this thread, it has run its course. You've been told the ones that are known to work, and shot them down for one reason or another, and haven't contributed anything yourself
Although it might be convenient to some people that i just end my quest, i am not done and i am waiting from hardware manufacturer replies too.
The only doubt on my mind is if i will post/notify everyone or just the ones that are on the same boat as i am.
Thank you for your contributions to the topic. They had their value
I don't own the modem anymore, but I bought the -I1 model specifically because it had an Ikanos chipset (hence the 'I' in the model number). I did use it successfully with a Stinger for a number of months, but I can't offer any more than my testimonial since I sold the modem.
BCM6368 is BCM63xx which falls under the family of BCM63168 which is used by the smartrg 505n
It would be of great help if you could confirm the exact chip used by the ZyXEL P870M-I1 (if possible with pictures)
I'm currently using two ZyXEL P870M-I1 V2 on a Stinger remote for my MLPPP setup. The modem has "Ikanos" chip inside, I can confirm. I bought the modems online. Here is the link: "WiFi-parts". The modem is discontinued but I believe is still available.
There is only an important note. The modem is a pure VDSL2 bridge. You will need an enterprise class router that is capable to set up VLAN tagging on an Ethernet network (IEEE 802.1Q standard) in order to establish connection with Bell network.
Thank you for your reply it is of great help. Would be possible to know what exactly ikanos chipset version is it ? I would like to confirm something about Ikanos Fusiv Vx180
I will postpone my request for SmartRG for now but still looking for a modem.
While the smartRG mentioned here has been so praised; it is also not 100% flawless as it has it's own set of issues including connectivity to stinger slams.
quote:SmartRG has a firmware issue which originates from a Broadcom firmware issue. It is unable to sync to specific models of DSLAMs (Stinger) when you have a large distance between CPE and DSLAM. We are aware of this issue and we stopped offering SmartRG modem until issue is resolved. Any SmartRG user experiencing symptoms of no sync should contact our technical support and request to flip their modem for Sagecom
quote:We will not. They have deficiencies on certain DSLAMs with Bell. Fail to sync or producing lower download and upload speeds We will however start selling a Vmedia bell certified modem/router/voip/wifi VDSL gateway in a few weeks
SmartRG 505n Modem Router QoS also been reported to have problems for some people.
Although some of these issues may have been solved with firmware tweaks and or updates; there are no warranties that they will not happen to someone else in different scenarios or even similar.
In my case; these issues and the potential risk of having them happen to me; do not compensate the risk of spending up to $120 bucks to came here and tell some people what modem/router does not work with my stinger or gets the same type of problem
I prefer to have to deal with issues done by my technical choices rather than empirical observation of hardware performance that some say i should buy. I am also currently trying something with my sagecom to see if the connection gets stable as it should.
As for alternatives i already have a list of over 10 potential working modems compatible with the stinger dslam. One has been reported to work with the stinger by 2 people and i wait for 3rd confirmation.
At least 2 other brands are reported to be compatible with the stinger by the manufacturer. Another one i do believe that has all it's needed to work and i wait also from confirmation from another source.
Some of these modem/routers are not end user/consumer products and they are expensive.
Thank you for your reply it is of great help. Would be possible to know what exactly ikanos chipset version is it ? I would like to confirm something about Ikanos Fusiv Vx180
BME Reference board API Menu Ikanos Communications Copyright 2000-2002 Version 1.0.7r45IK105012 =========================================
10) Request Brief Port Status 11) Request Extended Port Status 12) Display Performance Counters 13) Get Near End SNR Margin and Attenuation 20) Display this menu 90) BME Firmware versions 99) Log off 212) Display All Performance Counters
Thank you for that detail which i was not aware. My sagecom has it's days numbered and it will go. Right now we have 2 confirmed better and working options for the bell network. 1: SmartRG SR505N 2: ZyXEL P870M-I1
Which has been my main preference given the hardware, functionality and versatility including 3rd party free software/firmware but i am still awaiting for feedback from someone about it.
Are you familiar with any of these routers ? What are you using for yourself and with what type of connection ?
can you comment on "now waiting to confirm from other sources if i have the 7330.". Is that something anybody can do for their DSL? Can you share how to get this info ? I am wit Primus DSL and Speedtouch 516 thinking of switching to TS, but would not want to buy an expensive SmartRG if I could get away with a Huawei for half the price...or if I am paying more, get one of the modems you are looking at, like the ZyXEL. TS claims not to be able to tell 7330 or Stinger until after one switches to them.
Also, please do update this thread as you find more info on those modems.
can you comment on "now waiting to confirm from other sources if i have the 7330.". Is that something anybody can do for their DSL? Can you share how to get this info ?
For dsl you can use very much any modem. I was on a stinger before for 6 mbit dsl with a conceptronic 54G wireless router/modem. The problem is VDSL.
if I could get away with a Huawei for half the price
You can use an Huawei for any DSL connection with either stingers or 7330 dslams, or if going for VDSL only if connected to the 7330 DSLAM as far as it goes at the moment as i am aware. Some people are using Huawei with vdsl on a 7330.
TS claims not to be able to tell 7330 or Stinger until after one switches to them
That is correct and that is true. They have no way of knowing before it is set or choice to to chose.
If you want to have any idea abou twhat type of dslam you might have; look for the closest to your local/home and check the following topic. »Bell Canada FTTN/FTTH Cataloging Project / Map
I will post the results of my research later. For now everything i can say is that in order for broadcom chipset based routers to work with stinger dslams; they need custom specific firmware for it which is the case of the smartrg.
Soon i will be testing one new modem and will give feedback later.
Although it has been a while i still have stuff to post about this topic and the router modem SmartRG that every one loves. To start of when it comes to security this firmware is a pile of crap. It is a quite nice full featured firmware but in regards to security it is bad.
- https where are you ? - Uses TR-069 which provides an outstanding EXPLOIT (google for TR-069 exploit) - Uses micro_httpd which is very easy to crash with the browser
There are more details in regards to the security of this firmware that i will keep out of the forum to avoid a mess but for those that are hardcore about this router and firmware, you should do your homework first instead of coming here with puffed chest without having a clue about many thing other than plug the router to the wall (TSI people).
A few other thins about the hardware.
Currently it uses linux kernel 2.6. It also uses NVRAM to set it's parameters in the shell. OpenWRT Backfire uses UCI but Whiterussian and Kamikaze use NVRAM. NVRAM is a thing is the past and typically used with broadcom chips.
The CPU is broadcom
system type : 963168MBV_17AZZ
processor : 0
cpu model : Broadcom4350 V8.0
BogoMIPS : 399.36
Although it uses Broadcom4350 V8.0, if anyone nmaps the router it gets the D-Link DLS-2750U ID which tends to use the Broadcom4350 V7.5.
If anyone has an Actiontec C1000A there is a good possibility that it may work with this quasi vdsl2 that bell has over the city and the stinger DSLAM's
I would also not exclude the D-Link DSL-2750U rev unk and D-Link DSL-2750B rev T1 without trying. There is a possibility that the 2750u might work.
Another details in regards to the hardware and cpu is the similar hardware of the ZyXEL P-870HN-5xb which has been mentioned in the topic a a working & compatible modem/router.
Similar hardware is also: Netgear DGN2200 is is supported by openwrt. Although I have doubts if it will work; it will not hurt to try. »wiki.openwrt.org/toh/net ··· /dgn2200
There are a few other serious details in regards to the firmware that i will be mentioning later should they prove to be what i think they are.