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creed3020
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Re: CRTC wholesale mobile wireless services hearings on now

Time for Mobilicity...

Davesnothere
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Mobilicity Proposed Wholesale Roaming Rates

 
Rates for all of Canada :

VOICE = 5 cents per minute
OUTGOING TEXT = .5 cent each
INCOMING TEXT = FREE
DATA = 1 cent per Megabyte

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Even with the new rates I still discourage my wife to roam when on Wind Away, with new rates like Mobilicity has suggested I would be comfortable to swallow the increased cost on a month by month basis.

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Re: CRTC wholesale mobile wireless services hearings on now

1 cent per megabyte is a retail rate, not a wholesale rate. I pay 1 cent per megabyte for my data overage *now*.
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Menzies clearly doesn't understand about tower companies.

Incumbents in the US sell their towers all the time.
Tower companies can be treated like REITS and spin off stable consistent dividends to investors.

Robellus could spin-off/sell their towers and raise a LOT of cash this way.

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The Mobilicity rep just made an analogy to if Tim Hortons was to sell sub-standard doughnuts, and was to blame a contracted provider.

But isn't that exactly what Tim's DOES these days ?
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"Imminent future use" excuse for NOT renting out antenna space on towers can be handled with a few things.....

1) "Imminent future use" gets a strict legal definition - the incumbent must have a 'live' antenna activated on that tower position within 365* days of the incumbent claiming imminent future use.

2) An IC/CRTC/public database is created which catalogs all existing/new towers with antenna position heights/azimuth/owner/occupied or not, etc...

3) ALL antenna positions are either declared occupied/vacant/imminent, etc...

4) All tower/position requests are made solely through the db, and db maintains a history of such requests.

5) Since IC knows when an antenna goes 'live', that data can be put into the db.

6) If an 'imminent' tower position goes past the 365 day mark without the antenna going 'live', the tower owner MUST grant immediate access to all other competitors on a first-come basis based on prior requests for that space.

7) NEW - Another option - If a new tower is going up, all parties interested in getting antennas on it put their names on balls in a 'lottery cage'. A couple extra blank balls are also tossed into the cage. Then balls are drawn for positions on the tower. High positions are drawn first for the highest frequency spectrum (shortest propagation distance). Once the high frequency draw is done, balls are put in by interested parties for the next highest spectrum and the next lowest spot on the tower, etc... The blank balls allow tower spots to remain blank for other new new entrants (down the road) who want to install their own antennas, or these spots might be subject to the same sort of lottery again in 3-5 years.

A high school kid could get something like this up in a couple weeks in exchange for some Tim's gift cards.

*365 days allows for seasonal construction issues.

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Funny how Tim's works its way into so much of this....

Could an incumbent not lie about which antennae are live, and would proving otherwise not be a lot like learning what is behind BH$ELL's (etc) strings of redacted #####'s in confidential submissions ?
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IC knows which are live vs. under construction vs. idle

The db could also have site photos and periodic site electromagnetic audits. A friend's father did this sort of thing for other types of antennas for IC in the 1970's.

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OK, so call me a non-believer - a person of little faith.
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@J-P Blais

See my post above about tower REITS and how that frees up cash for the incumbents.
It should be a lay-up for an incumbent to want to do if they can earn higher returns.

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Klass mentions the incumbents' 'Gifted Spectrum' and the 'Beauty Contests' of 30 years ago to allocate it.
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He said that if even Bell and Telus see the need to share a network with each other in order to cover most of Canada, then surely any NEW entrants would need to have access to someone else's network in order to accomplish the same.
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Good work, Ben/David.
Bell is an MVNO in Manitoba - hypocrites.

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Yes, he mentioned that, and drew attention to the irony.
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He now covered IISPs for wireline service, and how he feels that MVNOs are not as well treated as IISPs are for wireline services.
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Carrier beauty contest ..... "I want world peace and I promise to ripoff our customers just an infinitessimally smaller amount than the other contestants."

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Re: Mobilicity Proposed Wholesale Roaming Rates

said by creed3020:

Even with the new rates I still discourage my wife to roam when on Wind Away, with new rates like Mobilicity has suggested I would be comfortable to swallow the increased cost on a month by month basis.

I look at it this way, I pay Wind 30 bucks a month, any even remotely comparable will run me double on Robellus.

So when I go visit family in Elora, or go to the cottage, yes I'm away, but i won't be spending 30 bucks each and every month in roaming charges.
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Re: CRTC wholesale mobile wireless services hearings on now

Pentefountas is attempting to describe putting lipstick on a pig to make it palatable.
Better to rip up the foundation and start over correctly from the beginning - structural separation.

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Re: Mobilicity Proposed Wholesale Roaming Rates

said by elwoodblues:

I look at it this way, I pay Wind 30 bucks a month, any even remotely comparable will run me double on Robellus....

 
On that Grandfathered plan of yours ?

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Grandfathered? I dunno I signed up a year and half ago, so that was the price. Today is 35 bucks, again will you spend even half that amount every single month roaming?

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Ah, so it's pretty much THAT plan.

I just looked at the current $35 WIND plan, and for this month, it included some extra stuff.
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Re: CRTC wholesale mobile wireless services hearings on now

Best way to lower costs - structural separation.

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Yes, Mobi was hinting at that today, for future tower builds at least.
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Blais just complimented Klass about Klass's not offering input on any questions for which he had none, and wished that more folks would conduct themselves in that manner.
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It's important to know whose network you're riding on for DPI purposes and how/if you're being monetized.

I object to Bell's practices.

Davesnothere
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That valid point was not covered.

YOU should be there as a coach.
MaynardKrebs
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Ben's a class act.

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Yes, he is, but c'mon, give us the likely worn out pun version - He's a Klass act.
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said by Davesnothere:

 
OK, so call me a non-believer - a person of little faith.

I'll bet that you have absolute faith that the CRTC will find yet another way to screw Canadians over.

FWIW - I believe in you.