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ekster
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Re: [game] F11 - Robot Rampage:

vote Energystream for that faux pas.

Adalicia
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Pretty sure F11 we just go for it.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Nope, you are correct, but only kind of. Basically, if a game starts with an odd number of players (C9 or F11) doing a No Lynch essentially allows Mafia a statical advantage.

Let's say that the town decide to No Lynch Day 1, but lynch every day from then on and scum also kills every night.

Day 2: 6 town, 2 scum. (25% chance of hitting scum)
Day 3: 4 town, 2 scum. (33% chance of hitting scum)

Now let's say town lynch Day 1 and scum also kills every night:
Day 2: 5 town, 2 scum. (28.5% chance of hitting scum)
Day 3: 3 town, 2 scum. (40% chance of hitting scum)

As you can see, numbers wise, it is better to always Day 1 lynch in a C9/F11. You run the risk of possibly hitting a power role as it will likely be random but even so you still have a better statically chance of winning when it comes down to end game.
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Obviously this doesn't take in account every variable that you could have in a game like this, be it doctor saves, a good cop investigation, hitting scum on any of the days, etc. The thing is however, regardless of what you do Day 3 is lynch or lose with two scum still being alive at that point. Therefore, you should take the option that gives the better chance of getting scum, even if it is at random.

At least, that is the way I would look at it. If your game has an even number of players or is a crazy game then you should consider No Lynch.

This game however does not meet either exception. And I would suspect anyone that supports a Day 1 No Lynch to be scum.

So with that in mind:

vote: Energystream

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

ekster L-4 | f0rtys3ven
No Lynch | Energystream
Energystream L-3 | ekster, Adalicia

Players not voting: Jobbie, ProtusMose, Noiche, tmodelt, Kristopher

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Checking In. Typical day one
vote:Krist I do enjoy voting for you.

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My understanding was that day 1 nolynch was to the benefit of town, it has been awhile since I have played it I forgot what the norm was and the numbers behind it.

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

ekster L-4 | f0rtys3ven
No Lynch | Energystream
Energystream L-3 | ekster, Adalicia
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt

Players not voting: Jobbie, ProtusMose, Noiche, Kristopher
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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

ekster L-4 | f0rtys3ven
Energystream L-3 | ekster, Adalicia
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt

Players not voting: Jobbie, ProtusMose, Noiche, Kristopher, Energystream

ekster
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vote f0rtys3ven

for sucking.

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

ekster L-4 | f0rtys3ven
Energystream L-4 | Adalicia
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt
f0rtys3ven L-4 | ekster

Players not voting: Jobbie, ProtusMose, Noiche, Kristopher, Energystream

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I google day 1 nolynch and my exact question came up from a year and a half ago where it was shown as bad for town. I'm bad and should feel bad.

f0rtys3ven
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Now I know how politicians feel.

ekster
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Time to commit robocide.

Adalicia
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said by Energystream:

I'm bad and should feel bad.

Not really. This is the first C9/F11 I've seen in a good long while. It is easy to forget the optimal way of doing things when most games I've seen recently have been Crazy or Semi-Crazy games.

I mean, you could probably make a valid argument IF you knew 100% that there were power roles in the game and that you would 100% lynch one of said power roles. But there just is no way to know for sure in either case and the chance of randomly lynching a power role (assuming there were power roles 100%) would be AT WORST equal to lynching scum ~33% of the time (unlikely at ~22%) and actually less likely than hitting scum ~66% of the time (at ~11%).

Basically there is no real way you can make it a valid argument in this format. But it happens, like I said this is the first C9/F11 I've seen in a long time.

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Vote: Jobbie

For initiating the kill on my freshly revived corpse last game

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fine you win

Vote: Energy

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

Energystream L-3 | Adalicia, f0rtys3ven
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt
f0rtys3ven L-4 | ekster
Jobbie L-4 | Energystream

Players not voting: Jobbie, ProtusMose, Noiche, Kristopher

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I understand

Prevailer
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vote: jobbles Balto looks lonely.

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

Energystream L-3 | Adalicia, f0rtys3ven
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt
f0rtys3ven L-4 | ekster
Jobbie L-3 | Energystream, ProtusMose

Players not voting: Jobbie, Noiche, Kristopher

Jobbie
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Checking in for the day.

You guys are terrible guards.

Adalicia
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said by Jobbie:

You guys are terrible guards.

Hur-dur.



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vote: Protus

Derail attempt.

Adalicia
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Why vote for him then?

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

Energystream L-3 | Adalicia, f0rtys3ven
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt
f0rtys3ven L-4 | ekster
Jobbie L-3 | Energystream, ProtusMose
ProtusMose L-4 | Kristopher

Players not voting: Jobbie, Noiche

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Vote: ProtusMose

Even things a bit and OMGUS.

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Players remaining: 9 | Players needed to lynch: 5

Energystream L-3 | Adalicia, f0rtys3ven
Kristopher L-4 | tmodelt
f0rtys3ven L-4 | ekster
Jobbie L-3 | Energystream, ProtusMose
ProtusMose L-3 | Kristopher, Jobbie

Players not voting: Noiche

Adalicia
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You're very diligent in your Vote Updates.

f0rtys3ven
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Way to say we can count El Q politely!!

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said by f0rtys3ven:

Way to say we can count El Q politely!!

LOL

It's also a matter of getting a proper system in place as this is my first game. I'm sure I'll be a little more easy on this next go around.

Also, I'm at home today so it makes this pretty easy. I see (x new replies) on the tab, and I update the vote count.

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