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DarkLogix
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Citadel

Anyone have experience with citadel?
»www.citadel.org/

I'm thinking of installing it on a CentOS 6.5 VM (would do 7 but I'm a bit worried that 7 might be to new for it)

just wondering are there any gatchas is it fairly strait forward? does it work as expected?

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Not in the last 20 years, no.

Thanks for a blast from the past, though. Wow ...

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wow didn't know it was that old.

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said by DarkLogix:

wow didn't know it was that old.

Goodness yes... approaching 35 years old, actually.

Still younger than me, I guess.

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Well if its been around that long I'd think they'd have all the kinks sorted by now right?

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said by DarkLogix:

Well if its been around that long I'd think they'd have all the kinks sorted by now right?

Given that you're not installing it on a TRS-80, I'd say there's some chance it may not be perfect.

(Says the guy who's drinking coffee out of his Intellivision mug this afternoon.)

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Well back then was it a good e-mail server?

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said by DarkLogix:

Well back then was it a good e-mail server?

It was a BBS software back then... not really email per se.

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Well the one I'm looking at is a E-mail server I'm hoping it'll be the one to finally fill the void in my network of an e-mail server.

it seems to have most of what I want though I would like it to sync with my android phone so I could see my e-mails on my phone.

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said by dennismurphy:

said by DarkLogix:

wow didn't know it was that old.

Goodness yes... approaching 35 years old, actually.

Still younger than me, I guess.

7 years older than me.

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said by exocet_cm:

said by dennismurphy:

said by DarkLogix:

wow didn't know it was that old.

Goodness yes... approaching 35 years old, actually.

Still younger than me, I guess.

7 years older than me.

Stop that. Now you're making me feel REALLY old.

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said by dennismurphy:

Stop that. Now you're making me feel REALLY old.

I remember BBS's, dennismurphy See Profile. Don't feel bad. In fact I knew a couple guys who ran some.
Citadel does sound familiar in fact...but that was back in my Commodore 64 days.

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said by Drex:

I remember BBS's, dennismurphy See Profile. Don't feel bad. In fact I knew a couple guys who ran some.
Citadel does sound familiar in fact...but that was back in my Commodore 64 days.

I ran one myself - in fact, it's installed in the OS/2 VM running on my Mac under VMware Fusion.

Gosh, who would've thought you could virtualize OS/2 on a frikkin Macintosh back then?!

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Thanks though I was hoping to get feedback on its current evolution as an e-mail server.

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If you want to run an email server on Linux, then I don't know why you're even looking at this. You should use either sendmail (old school) or postfix. In fact I'd bet CentOS comes with one if not both by default.

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Because I want more function than those I also want web-mail access and ideally a web interface for managing the settings, would be nice to also have some other features but citadel does claim AD integration.

basically I don't want to dig through numerous text files with vim starting and restarting deamons after each, I'd rather it all be in one place and AD integration would be nice.

I had considered OX (open xchange) till I'd read a few reviews that detailed how bad the documentation was. (OX would have been nice as it would have also gotten me active sync.)

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I think you just described Exchange.

I hear ya - I only messed with sendmail once; now I'm sure I don't want to be a mail admin. But my point was almost no one uses this Citadel package in the "real world".

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said by Wily_One:

I think you just described Exchange.

I only messed with sendmail once; now I'm sure I don't want to be a mail admin.

Well ya but MS exchange is bloated and I'd rather something that won't cost more than my network.

based on what citadel claims it seems to have almost all I want (they even mention multi domain integration) but I kinda want some feed back as to how good their documentation really is.

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Documentation is not freely available on their website? If so I'd say that's a red flag right there.

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said by Wily_One:

I hear ya - I only messed with sendmail once; now I'm sure I don't want to be a mail admin. But my point was almost no one uses this Citadel package in the "real world".

In a life far away, I wrote a set of Sendmail rules into sendmail.cf to accomplish this RFC.

Then, several years later, I bought an Ironport C-60 mail appliance and got out of the Sendmail business forever. Even got rid of my bat book.

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Documentation is not freely available on their website? If so I'd say that's a red flag right there.

There is some but I want to know if they're accurate.

OX has lots of docs but just try following em.
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said by exocet_cm:

7 years older than me.

Only 6 for me LOL

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ok so from those of you with more Linux experience could someone look over this
»www.citadel.org/doku.php ··· yinstall

and let me know if there's any small thing that a Linux newb might need to add to it (like should I be in a given directory when I start?)

I figure (unless there's an issue with this) to set the IP va a DHCP reservation because I've used the 1-10 that I had set aside for servers and I'll need to be less lazy and move the start of my DHCP scope to put the mail server in the static range.

but I do plan to do a static IPv6 for IPv6 SMTP.

also anyone think CentOS 6.5 could cause any issue?
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Well followed the instructions but when it got to the "restarting citadel server" 95% it just hung there for over an hour.

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Citadel does BBS and email.
Are you looking just for an email server?

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said by scrummie02:

Citadel does BBS and email.
Are you looking just for an email server?

Well I'm more interested in the e-mail part, from looking over various wikis with comparison charts citadel seems like it has all I want.

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iredmail my be better. It uses "industry" standards like postfix/dovecot/clamav and can tie into LDAP if you want it to.

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Well citadel can tie into LDAP too.
Does it give a web mail interface and/or any other ways to access the mail and manage it?
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I tried Citadel once in a VM. For some reason, I don't like the web user interface that much because for some reason, it feels kind of outdated compared to Zarafa, which I currently use in my VPS server right now.

»community.zarafa.com/

Zarafa uses Postfix for SMTP and you can install SpamAssassin for spam filtering. Zarafa may not be easy to install (sudo dpkg -i *.deb for Ubuntu Server and Debian but unfamiliar with CentOS), but once you get Postfix, MySQL, and Zarafa configured, you can launch yourserverip/zarafa-webapp in your web browser. You get calendar, tasks, and notes support, plus there is Z-Push available which does ActiveSync for your smartphone if you have one.

Here are the installation instructions if you decide to check out Zarafa.
»www.unixmen.com/install- ··· -server/

Don't forget to install Postfix as provided in the instructions.

Check out Tasks and Notes for MS Exchange. It works with Zarafa via Z-Push.

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Now that I know what you want(you were very unclear in the All Things Unix forum), try a combo of Postfix/Courier/SquirrelMail. You will have POP3, IMAP, Webmail, and SPAM control(if needed). Here is an Ubuntu based guide but I adapted it to Debian just fine(site is not reachable for me atm so I revived it via this link) »web.archive.org/web/2014 ··· postfix/ Way more modern compared to Citadel. I did not bother with SpamAssassin or PostGrey to date but that is because I use private boxes for specific purposes not prone to SPAM, and my email client itself has filters built-in, though my server does check MX records which would bounce about 85%+ of all SPAM at the gate.