Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
[Networking] Ationtec MI424W Verizon Coax Router Deliberate Programing ProblemI found out that Verizon has caused a WIFI issue, on the Actiontec MI424WR Rev I router. They cut the speed in half. You can be sitting next to the router, the slower is still there. There only answer is connect to the LAN. A Verizon tech told me that Verizon did it on purpose, and he could understand there reasoning?
I just wanted to let everybody know what is going on with Verizon.
I had to buy a router to correct. The worst part is I'm still paying 5.99/month!
Any ideas why? |
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SparkChaser Premium Member join:2000-06-06 Downingtown, PA |
You might want to give more information about you situation there. What problems brought you to this conclusion? |
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there are A LOT of people that get 80+ mb on wireless using that router. That tech couldn't be more incorrect. I know that the speeds are not 300 mb like most routers are, but that's technology driven, it's not dual radio. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
I live in Philly, the fios out here is only 1 month old. On LAN I get 58/63. On WIFI I only get at best 26/30. I live in a row home, and the first connected to the fios connect terminal. When I try to connect anywhere in my house, the signal is 100%. But the data rate is never higher than 26/30. Unless on LAN then it is 58/63.
The tech told me Verizon will be out with a new router soon for 169.99.
Neighbors only in my area are -88db at best.
The new wifi router is almost 50/50. This is what I'm provisioned for. |
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said by SparkChaser:What problems brought you to this conclusion? Look at past topic/post history. There's something going on in his immediate environment which causes wireless issues. I didn't see the followup a while ago on the original post. If inSSIDer is changing it's recommendation from channel 1 to channel 11, then back again, it seems there is not much difference between the two channels. RobertA says he has most recent drivers, he's on 50/50 tier and gets 58/63 wired, but gets G speed wireless. He reported some improvement when he switched router to performance mode, but it is not clear he is still getting that or that performance mode is still selected. Robert, did you get Verizon to replace the Actiontec router? The fact that you are having problems with the Asus RTAC56U shows that you have a problem, either on the computer, in the router configuration, or in your wireless environment. Question: after a wireless connection, and you pull a speed test, did you run the FiOS optimizer? I believe it has registry tweaks even for the autotune in Win7 and 8, although I cannot attest to that directly. I do not connect Windows wirelessly. As I said elsewhere, if I want speed, I connect wired. If I want the convenience of wireless portability, I accept the performance hit. |
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said by Robert1010:A Verizon tech told me that Verizon did it on purpose Just because a VZ tech said that, does not make it true. You're doing a disservice to the readers of this forum to pass along unsubstantiated rumors. It sounds to me that the wireless device you're testing with has an 802.11g only wireless card. An 802.11g only wireless device will never get above about 25Mbps throughput regardless of what speed tier you have. That's a limitation of the 802.11g technology, not something VZ did intentionally. Have you tried setting 802.11n Performance mode on your router? - Wireless Settings - Advanced Security Settings - Click on 802.11 b/g/n mode. - Select Performance mode from the pull down. Performace mode supports up to 130 Mbps transfer speed. Your measured throughput will be about 1/2 of that under best circumstances. If your wireless device can not connect to the router when the router is in performance mode, you have a 802.11g only device and are limited to 54Mbps transfer speed with throughput about 1/2 that speed under best conditions. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
I have replaced the MI424WR Ver I 3times. Set it to performance mode N only. Everything I own is 802.11n. The service tech has been here 3 times. Said there was no problem, and if I want faster speed hard wire the whole house. |
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said by Robert1010:The new wifi router is almost 50/50. This is what I'm provisioned for. The new one which isn't out yet? So this is a promise by the tech, not verified by actual performance? What results did you get with the Asus? What devices are you using to get current performance results? A single laptop? Does any of your neighbors or friends get higher speeds elsewhere? Invite them over to try your wireless. The point is to try other hardware (without buying something extra). |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
The ASUS was bad, all of the ASUS problems are gone. The asus wireless router is giving me 49/48 and is stable now. Inssider is showing -41db signal and 153Mbs. No one is near that signal, most are -77db or higher. |
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the Actiontec will perform poorly on wireless N with TKIP set up. TKIP isn't usual, but you should check that, and then also the output power, if the asus is in the same room where the Actiontec is and getting better performance then the asus is either A) a clearly better router (which isn't hard to believe) or B) the Actiontec is faulty in some way, for how you have it set at the home. it's acting like a wireless G, and if you have ANY wireless G devices in the home, they can bring down the speed of the connection. That would be erased if you went to n performance mode, but if you weren't using wireless N WPA 2 AES security and instead were using WPA2 TKIP then that would be the source of the problem.
wireless is not a straight forward thing and not all devices are created equal. That is why some are more expensive than others. |
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that asus is a wireless AC router that has 5ghz channels, are you on the 5ghz range when it's better, or are you doing apples for apples, actiontec 2.4 wpa2 aes vs asus 2.4 wpa2 aes.
That would probably be the fair test.
It's all academic, the Actiontec is what it is, and suits most people's needs, and if it doesn't suit yours, you get a different router.
that's the same with any service provider, but to say it's intentionally set to only get 50 % of the bandwidth is just not a true statement, we have enough users on this forum alone, that get well above that on the Actiontec while wireless, even using the rev F configured for wpa2 and aes, let alone the rev I router |
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said by Robert1010:On LAN I get 58/63. On WIFI I only get at best 26/30 If your wireless client(laptop, desktop) is rated (1)single stream, then the best it can connect(link) to the Actiontec is 65 Mbps. Given that, the 26/30 is a little low, it can do about 40/40. The low speed can be because you are not in the best channel for your environment. Try channels 1,6,11 first, if not getting better results, try every channel one at a time and see where it settles best. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
My desktop is connecting on a AC type wireless usb connection. I have used IHA on the Verizon router. It keeps changing the suggestion of what channel to use. I even did a factory reset. Replaced the router twice. I called Verizon and spoke to a US person, tech support. Inssider said I have a 300Mbps connection. Also I'm on channel 11 by asus router. |
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This what the 1-800-verizon support guy said about the problem with wifi. With there router rev I.
Can you give me the posts from the people who had no problem with Rev I ? |
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just lou join:2008-05-16 Staten Island, NY Arcadyan FiOS-G3100
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said by Robert1010:Can you give me the posts from the people who had no problem with Rev I ? I have no issues with the Rev I. I have 50/50 service, and anywhere in my house that I have a full signal I get 40/40+ running in mixed mode wireless. When I go into my basement 2 floors away from my router, I still get around 30/30. By comparison, I do get about 61/58 on my wired connection. |
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said by Robert1010: Inssider said I have a 300Mbps connection. Which router are you connected 300Mbps? This cannot be the Rev. I. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
The asus router. |
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guppy_fish Premium Member join:2003-12-09 Palm Harbor, FL |
Your AC router is on 5ghz, apples to oranges to running N on 2.4ghz
If you want to see for yourself, set your Asus router to use N on 2.4ghz |
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gs0b join:2014-08-14 Bucks, PA 1 edit |
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said by Robert1010:Can you give me the posts from the people who had no problem with Rev I ? They are scattered around these forums. As with any place where people come to for help, most posts are about problems, not working systems. People simply don't post "Hey, everything's working fine!" just for the heck of it. You could use the "search" function to see what you can find. Look for threads similar to this one, where complaints about router operation are responded to with examples of working systems. For the record, I have an Actiontec Rev I with 50/50 service. Since I have TV, it's really 60/60 (ish). I run 802.11g/n compatibility mode due to some older g only WiFi devices in my network. This morining I measured 57/47 from a laptop located close to the router and connected to WiFi at 130Mbps. I use Ethernet for non-mobile devices such as desktops and game consoles. I got 58/63 from my desktop this morning. My WiFi speeds vary not only with distance, but with device. Clearly, some WiFi devices don't go as fast as others. Since they all go "fast enough," I haven't bothered to determine if it's an issue with the Actiontec or the WiFi devices. In short, I find the Actiontec rev I works fine for my household's needs. Enjoy. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
to guppy_fish
I don't have any 5ghz equipment and don't really know what uses 5ghz? |
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We have the same setup tv/internet/phone @ 50/50 provision. You have made me questioning about the verizon statement. |
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guppy_fish Premium Member join:2003-12-09 Palm Harbor, FL |
to Robert1010
from your post "My desktop is connecting on a AC type wireless usb connection"
AC is the latest wireless spec, it uses the 5ghz band |
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Right now I'm getting 32/38 on verizon speed test and 33/40 on speakeasy speed test wireless, provisioned 50/50. I'm in a 1 level ranch ont,bhr in center utility room, sometimes it's better, sometimes it's worse.Verizon doesn't guarantee any wifi speed no matter how close you are, it's a convenience that comes along with their router. That being said their advertisements are all geared to connecting more wireless devices, and super fast speed. I think that tech just didn't want to see you again and figured it may just keep you from calling in again. |
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One suggestion to avoid any problems with ISP HW, disable the modem as a router and bridge it and use a external router. Most Mfr external routers are designed better than ISP HW and not prone to silly whims of what ISPs do with there FW and support is better as well. If ISP hw can't be bridged, you could disable the WiFi radio on the ISP HW and inStall a stand alone wired wireless AP just for the Wifi services. These units are alot better than ISP HW WiFi and have better features and now support faster N and AC modes while still letting the ISP modem work as the main host router.
Something to consider and review. Why be at the mercy of ISP HW, use your own where you can.
My 2 cents. |
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FIOS doesn't use modems (except in certain MDU installations). The FIOS router or a MOCA LAN bridge is required is you have FIOS-TV. |
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WHT join:2010-03-26 Rosston, TX |
to Robert1010
-41 dBm end-point signal is kinda hot. It usually overloads a receiver.
Wireless Bible, Saint WHT edition - Book of WiFi, Chapter 1, Verse 1
Where -50 is the number, no more, no less. -50 shall be the number thou shalt use, and the number to be used shall be -50. -70 thou shall not use, neither use -20. -10 is right out. Once the number -50, being the fourth magnitude above the receiver threshold, be used, then lobbest thy data towards thy client, who being correctly WPA encryption approved, shall use it. |
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Robert1010 Premium Member join:2007-04-26 Philadelphia, PA |
to More Fiber
Thanks for the clarification. I still never got a answer why the signal was 100%. And still get half the speed of a LAN connection . When I connected a wifi router to the Verizon coax gateway. I still got 100% signal and now almost the provisioned 50/50. |
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Can I get a copy? I'm still using the object deck on Hollerith cards. Please don't fold spindle or mutilate me. |
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Here's a relatively good answer, there's a lot of variables bottom line, is encryption overhead, and then overhead in cpu between your AP's and the Cards on your machines. quote: when using WEP or WPA, overhead is more based on what CPU is in the card or AP.
With a little research on your card or AP, you can find out what the CPU is in your card or AP.
How Fast is it? How Slow is it? ("Compared to others")
Once encryption is added, the CPU's in your cards and AP's will become the bottle neck of bps.
This can be proven by disabling any encryption and testing rates, and then enabling encryption and testing rates.
It becomes impossible then, because of the differences in these CPU's to make a blanket statement that for example WEP or WPA will cause a speed loss of X%, because it can be smaller or greater depending on the SPEED of the processors involved at the given moment using these algorithms.
Because they are on both ends of the equation, they both effect the outcome. Worse is an AP which has a SLOW CPU, now no matter what CPU's the interface cards have, the AP CPU is SWAMPED with encryption/decryption overhead and slows EVERYBODY down who interfaces with it via a Wireless Device it is hosting.
Other overhead obviously can be attributed to packet retransmission, due to Receiver Sensitivity and Transmitted Signal strength, and Noise, but when compared to the above, in most cases, it's the CPU's that make the biggest CHUNK of lost Bandwidth/Time when using encryption.
You can put 40 foot parabolic antennas on both ends and the CPU's in your Interface cards and AP's are the ONLY constants you can't change, even firmware and HACKED TX power patches can't change that, only a Soldering Iron can
Bottom line, more focus should be placed on how fast the CPU's in AP's and Interface cards are, because as encryption algorithm's change, and we know they will, how much Bandwidth/Time do you want to give up when you implement them?
As Stated by VincentFox, some of the newer AP's and cards use faster CPU's. It is Interesting that NONE of the name brand manufactures list the SPEED of their processors in their consumer specs.
They may say they use an ARM processor, and you can find out which models run how fast, but they NEVER post the RAW Mhz per second numbers of the processor inside.
Buyer BEWARE, because in some cases this is where the manufactures SKIMP, and sadly, this is the only thing the average person can't change.
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