nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO ·Charter
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nunya
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2014-Nov-21 6:39 pm
[Electrical] Fun times. WTF? |
Found this little gem the other day on a residential service call. Original "electrician" was finally asked to leave because he fucked around all day and couldn't find the trouble. Turns out this "electrician" was an unlicensed handyman. The romex jumpers are dated 2007, so this flaming shit-pile of evil held up for 6-7 years. Original story: Original aluminum wiring caught fire in the gem box. Inaccessible from above, so some douche lord came in and did what you see pictured. FF 6-7 years to today, and one of his "creative" AL to CU splices burned open (no box BTW). I was able to get enough clean AL wire to put it back together in a 1900 box with Alumiconn connectors and get rid of all the shit. The box is still accessible from the fixture. |
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nunya
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2014-Nov-21 6:52 pm
BTW, the first guy out wandered around this lady's house all day and told her should would have to rewire the entire house. I found the trouble spot in 1/2 hour with a simplex tone. |
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I would have been impressed if they fit that cluster in a box... But it would have burned out a lot sooner. |
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You have an interesting career Nunya |
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lol at "douche lord" |
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tp0dyabbazooie Premium Member join:2001-02-13 Bulger, PA |
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2014-Nov-21 9:53 pm
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Damn, looks like a hornets nest without the wings and stingers... Surprised that thing didnt burn up worse than it did..
good stuff
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DataDocMy avatar looks like me, if I was 2D. Premium Member join:2000-05-14 Hedgesville, WV |
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What's a "simplex tone?" |
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pende_tim Premium Member join:2004-01-04 Selbyville, DE |
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He may have been concerned with the aluminum wire? said by nunya:told her should would have to rewire the entire house What was covering that mess? |
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said by DataDoc:What's a "simplex tone?" tone generator, they are a god send |
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO |
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said by pende_tim:What was covering that mess? Light fixture and fiberglass insulation. |
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Wow, I have to admit in my own house I tend to take some liberty with "fill" requirements but that is outrageous.
Never realized a 2-gang mental box was called a 1900. Single gang is a "gem" box but never knew the name for a two gang. That seem like a lot of wire even for a 2-gang box. Did you also use an extension box to get more room?
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Tursiops_GTechnoid MVM join:2002-02-06 Brooksville, FL ARRIS TM1602
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joewho Premium Member join:2004-08-20 Dundee, IL |
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That reminds me, this is in my house. I'm not sure how to handle it. |
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said by nunya:Found this little gem the other day on a residential service call. Original "electrician" was finally asked to leave because he fucked around all day and couldn't find the trouble. Turns out this "electrician" was an unlicensed handyman.
The romex jumpers are dated 2007, so this flaming shit-pile of evil held up for 6-7 years.
Original story: Original aluminum wiring caught fire in the gem box. Inaccessible from above, so some douche lord came in and did what you see pictured. FF 6-7 years to today, and one of his "creative" AL to CU splices burned open (no box BTW).
I was able to get enough clean AL wire to put it back together in a 1900 box with Alumiconn connectors and get rid of all the shit. The box is still accessible from the fixture. I "thumbs up" the OP just for the colorful wording... "douche lord", "flaming shit-pile of evil" lol. |
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LazMan Premium Member join:2003-03-26 Beverly Hills, CA |
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That's some quality work right there...
Did't grab an "after" by any chance, did you? |
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Why is the ground insulated? Is ground being used as the traveler wire for a 3 way? |
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO ·Charter
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By the time I got that all that B.S. straightened out, I just wanted to get out of Dodge. It made me late for my next job. When I eliminated all the stupidity, It fit nicely in a 1900 box with a round mudring.
In reality, it was just a 3 way splice with a switch loop. How whoever did that wound up with what I found there is beyond me.
I don't know why all the wires were taped other than sheer stupidity. My motto is - if you have to use tape, you've done something wrong. |
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jrs8084 Premium Member join:2002-03-02 Statesville, NC |
jrs8084
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2014-Nov-22 5:50 pm
That looks like a trailer ceiling box where half the place is interconnected in a ceiling light.
I know AL wiring was popular for a period of time, but was it more regional? You mention it a lot, but I don't know of anybody around here having it (and I wouldn't say we have strict codes by any means).
I have never seen it in person, other than new industrial stranded.
That said, I don't poking into peoples' wiring. |
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dosdoxies Premium Member join:2004-12-15 Wallingford, PA
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I think the technical term for that is "four pounds of shit in a two pound box". |
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Tursiops_GTechnoid MVM join:2002-02-06 Brooksville, FL ARRIS TM1602
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said by dosdoxies:I think the technical term for that is "four pounds of shit in a two pound box" LOL! AKA: a 'Blivet' (10# of $h!t in a 5# Bag) |
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Using tape isn't always a bad thing. I worked with an old timer industrial electrician for a year or two who insisted on taping certain things. He did everything hot so he used to tape the outlets and switches so you didn't ground out if you hit the metal boxes, etc. Didn't matter if it was a light switch or 3 phase panel, everything was done hot.
Those were a few interesting years. He always requested me since I didn't care if it was an 8 hour day or a 12 hour day. The other guys were afraid to work and working hot wasn't their thing. |
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Yep when you have a process line it is going to be worked hot. 3-phase 600 amp molded case circuit breakers bolted to the buss are interesting to change out. About 50 layers of Scotch 33 on the Ratchet handle with gloves. |
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i tape everything so does every electrician i know. more of a belt and suspenders approach.
here its a sign of an experienced electrican |
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Msradell Premium Member join:2008-12-25 Louisville, KY |
Msradell
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2014-Nov-22 9:44 pm
said by LittleBill:i tape everything so does every electrician i know. more of a belt and suspenders approach.
here its a sign of an experienced electrican Where is here? I've never been to any place that using tape with a sign of an experienced electrician. Granted there are certain cases where it's used and/or required but in general work it's certainly not needed nor even a good idea in most cases. |
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I once worked in large factory built in 1954. There were no wirenuts. All splices were made twisting the wires together, soldering the connection and taping with friction tape. That was a sign of experienced electricians installing the plant wiring. You should have seen the workmanship in the control panels and Motor Control Center wiring. Again the sign of highly trained "experienced" electricians. |
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shdesignsPowered By Infinite Improbabilty Drive Premium Member join:2000-12-01 Stone Mountain, GA
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shdesigns
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2014-Nov-22 10:15 pm
I bet few here even know what friction tape is or have even used it. I threw the last I had out years ago. |
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I doubt it too. Can you imagine soldering each connection? |
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said by Msradell:said by LittleBill:i tape everything so does every electrician i know. more of a belt and suspenders approach.
here its a sign of an experienced electrican Where is here? I've never been to any place that using tape with a sign of an experienced electrician. Granted there are certain cases where it's used and/or required but in general work it's certainly not needed nor even a good idea in most cases. PA |
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sk1939 Premium Member join:2010-10-23 Frederick, MD |
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That's the way my uncle learned the trade, handed down from the knob and tube days. Nowadays it's Wago nuts, romex, and plastic boxes. |
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO ·Charter
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nunya
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2014-Nov-22 11:04 pm
If you do a splice correctly, tape is wholly unnecessary. Keep in mind, this is not the "FACTORY IMPROVEMENT" forum. Even in a factory setting, if you need to use tape, you're doing it wrong - you're using the wrong connector. I've heard the piss-poor excuse that tape keeps the connection tight. Use the right splice for the job, and that won't be an issue. Going up in size to larger work, yes - that's a different story. I carry a roll of friction tape and mastic in my tool bag. I also keep fiberglass tape on the truck. But for average shit (as pictured), tape is a stupid waste of time. To you fuckers insinuating I'm inexperienced, I'll wager you that I've done a few hundred-thousand more splices than you in my career. I've spent my entire working career putting wires of all different types together.
Working stuff hot when unnecessary isn't a test of mettle, it's a mark of ignorance. I'd like to think we've come farther than this by now (most reputable shops have). How hard is it to turn off a breaker? |
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