DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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Re: "Project Latte": Bell doesn't like being left out in the streaming worldsaid by Anzio:said by mr weather:Not necessarily. There are still people with satellite and basic dial-up because there is no broadband provider in their area. There's still technically a link to them, even if they can't watch it at home. They're free to go to Starbucks or something. Or there's always satellite internet. There are no Starbucks within 100 km. of where I live and nowhere in Midwestern Ontario. Any of the Bell-fed wifi systems (McDonald's, Tim Hortons) are so slow as to be worse than molasses. Again, this whole thing is a complete joke. Satellite internet? Never seen any sign of that around here. |
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Anzio
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2014-Dec-4 11:04 pm
Why do you insist on complaining about a new service launching that you can't get when you wouldn't be able to use any other video streaming service?
It's not like they're charging you for it if you're unable/unwilling to use the service. It's just a value added service. Around my area, there's a ton of Bell satellite TV users, but we are all fed with cable as well. There's lots of opportunities for customers to take advantage of this service.
Satellite internet has beams all across North America. I'm pretty sure you'd find that you could get it. Your point is also invalid, as I have satellite but also have high speed internet (60Mbps). |
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Gone
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2014-Dec-4 11:13 pm
The fact that you suggest that someone who lives in a rural enough area to not have broadband got to a Starbucks - of all places - for Internet kind of suggests that you're really out of touch when it comes to the reality that some people face for Internet access. Just sayin. |
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2014-Dec-4 11:17 pm
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said by DKS:"Fibe" does not exist outside urban areas. Smaller centres like Owen Sound will probably get Fibe TV at some point, and probably sooner rather than later. It is being rolled out in Port Colborne right now and there's only 16,000 people there. And like Port Colborne, Owen Sound will probably get it by FTTH meaning you'll be laughing at all the big city slickers with your fibre connection while they're bitching about their crappy VDSL. |
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It was really meant as a catch all for any public place that has WiFi access where you'd be able to sit and enjoy the Internet.
They can go to a Timmies which I'm sure they have. Garbage place, but they can still go there. |
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Gone Premium Member join:2011-01-24 Fort Erie, ON
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2014-Dec-4 11:18 pm
said by Anzio:It was really meant as a catch all for any public place that has WiFi access where you'd be able to sit and enjoy the Internet. It was a catch all that demonstrated a bias against a situation for which you clearly do not understand. |
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Anzio
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2014-Dec-4 11:23 pm
It diverted into Internet access in rural areas, which I'm well aware of living in Northern Ontario. I was merely trying to disprove the uselessness of a new service launching. To say that the new service can't be used by the majority of Bell Satellite TV subscribers is rubbish. My point still stands that they can go to a Starbucks (or lesser coffee shop), regardless of how far.
Since it's moved so far away from the original discussion the OP had intended, I'll stop here. I'm sure the rural Internet users aren't really concerned about the lack of yet another service launching since they're well aware of their situation.
Back to the original discussion: I'm absolutely thrilled to add this to my entertainment go-to list. My folks and I will certainly be signing up. |
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2014-Dec-4 11:44 pm
at $4 a mnth ill give it a shot. shame it is only TV shows. some daft ppl in here |
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2014-Dec-4 11:51 pm
said by SoLow :at $4 a mnth ill give it a shot. shame it is only TV shows. some daft ppl in here whaat? are you on bell expressvu? because Apparently there is no way for you to watch it since if you have satellite u must have no internet |
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said by waaaah :said by SoLow :at $4 a mnth ill give it a shot. shame it is only TV shows. some daft ppl in here whaat? are you on bell expressvu? because Apparently there is no way for you to watch it since if you have satellite u must have no internet wut |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by Gone:said by DKS:"Fibe" does not exist outside urban areas. Smaller centres like Owen Sound will probably get Fibe TV at some point, and probably sooner rather than later. It is being rolled out in Port Colborne right now and there's only 16,000 people there. And like Port Colborne, Owen Sound will probably get it by FTTH meaning you'll be laughing at all the big city slickers with your fibre connection while they're bitching about their crappy VDSL. I have been told by those who are fully involved that we will not get Fibe until the SWIFT initiative is settled. I am told that will be years. |
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Apparently no Bell satellite receivers are able to stream Crave. They will need a firmware upgrade, if it is ever offered. As Bell uses Dish receivers, does Dish have such an option? |
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2014-Dec-5 9:15 am
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said by DKS:My 5 meg DSL service that Bell refuses to upgrade? 5 meg is what is recommended as a minimum by Netflix for HD, so yes with that (assuming CraveTV has similar efficiency to Netflix). |
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2014-Dec-5 9:23 am
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said by DKS: If you have ExpressVu or whatever Bell marketing jerks are calling it today, you have nothing BUT satellite What in the world makes you think that? Sure, a significant portion of their satellite customers are in rural areas that are not serviced by cable - but it's far from all of their satellite customers. |
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said by norogers :yeah, we have satellite from Bell, but that's because we didn't like Rogers tv offerings. considering the amount of dishes around here, i would say there is quite a few in our situation too. Same here. And I live in a small city. |
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2014-Dec-5 11:22 am
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said by bt:said by DKS: If you have ExpressVu or whatever Bell marketing jerks are calling it today, you have nothing BUT satellite What in the world makes you think that? Sure, a significant portion of their satellite customers are in rural areas that are not serviced by cable - but it's far from all of their satellite customers. I live in a small city I have Bell satellite and 5 meg DSL. My point is that satellite customers are excluded from this, which is a large chunk of people. |
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Instead Rogers and Bell making streaming services that almost as good as netflix hoping to sway customers over why didn't they team up to make the canadian equivalent of Hulu Plus to get a whole new market?
It is owned by the networks in the US and get adverting review |
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2014-Dec-5 11:28 am
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said by DKS: My point is that satellite customers are excluded from this, which is a large chunk of people. Your point is wrong. Satellite customers, if they have access to high speed internet (and yes - 5 meg DSL counts), are absolutely not excluded from this. More correctly, most rural satellite customers (but even then, not all) are excluded from this from a practical standpoint. Still a large chunk of people, sure, but not nearly as large a chunk as all satellite customers like you are stubbornly trying to claim. |
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2014-Dec-5 5:04 pm
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said by Cyborg994:Will the data counts toward caps on Bell? Didn't bell get in trouble for this a while back with their mobile TV? I'd say probably, it will count. |
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2014-Dec-5 5:22 pm
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said by DKS:said by bt:said by DKS: If you have ExpressVu or whatever Bell marketing jerks are calling it today, you have nothing BUT satellite What in the world makes you think that? Sure, a significant portion of their satellite customers are in rural areas that are not serviced by cable - but it's far from all of their satellite customers. I live in a small city I have Bell satellite and 5 meg DSL. My point is that satellite customers are excluded from this, which is a large chunk of people. 5 Meg DSL here too, but there is absolutely no reason why this wouldn't work on it. |
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5 meg DSL is more than fast enough for Netflix (you'd get 720p), so any failure of Bell's service to work on that connection would imply a flawed service.
Heck, a friend of mine was stuck for years on one-point-something megabit DSL and she was a heavy Netflix user. |
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said by JSE:Didn't bell get in trouble for this a while back with their mobile TV? I'd say probably, it will count. Yeah, but perhaps if it's offered through their Fibe TV service through set top boxes, it may not count. Similar to Shomi on Rogers through their Cable boxes. I'm not sure if it will be available through Fibe, but I feel like it will be considering their new marketing material:
. My bet is they won't count it towards your cap if you watch it through your Fibe STB. Edit: Looks like it will be on Fibe TV » [TV] Fibe TV New channels December, Nouvelles Chaînes Décembre |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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2014-Dec-6 7:47 am
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said by bt:said by DKS: My point is that satellite customers are excluded from this, which is a large chunk of people. Your point is wrong. Satellite customers, if they have access to high speed internet (and yes - 5 meg DSL counts), are absolutely not excluded from this. More correctly, most rural satellite customers (but even then, not all) are excluded from this from a practical standpoint. Still a large chunk of people, sure, but not nearly as large a chunk as all satellite customers like you are stubbornly trying to claim. Most satellite customers do NOT have access to ANY DSL service. DSL is a distance-limited service outside of urban areas. It would appear that the usual urban bias is showing. In addition, there are many, many analogue cable systems, mostly in rural areas, run by companies including Eastlink, who are excluded. Again, this stupidity simply promotes the digital divide. |
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said by DKS:Most satellite customers do NOT have access to ANY DSL service. DSL is a distance-limited service outside of urban areas. I call BS on this based on the number of satellite dishes I see all over Windsor in areas that ARE served by Cable and DSL. Even in my neighborhood in Lakeshore Ontario, there's no Cable, but I have access to DSL. |
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said by HeadSpinning:said by DKS:Most satellite customers do NOT have access to ANY DSL service. DSL is a distance-limited service outside of urban areas. I call BS on this based on the number of satellite dishes I see all over Windsor in areas that ARE served by Cable and DSL. Even in my neighborhood in Lakeshore Ontario, there's no Cable, but I have access to DSL. You don't live in rural Ontario where there is limited or no broadband access. Windsor is hardly an example of "rural". |
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said by DKS:You don't live in rural Ontario where there is limited or no broadband access. Windsor is hardly an example of "rural". You're absolutely right, I don't live in rural Ontario. How do you know that "most" satellite customers are in rural Ontario. How can you make such a generalized sweeping claim that "Most satellite customers do NOT have access to ANY DSL service", without knowing how the subscriber counts break down between rural and urban areas? You're making sweeping statements without any numbers to back it up. While I would agree that the only choice for rural customers for subscription television is for the most part satellite, that does NOT mean that most satellite subscribers are rural! There are plenty of urban satellite subscribers who DO have access to DSL or Cable Internet! That is why I called BS on your statement. |
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said by HeadSpinning:said by DKS:You don't live in rural Ontario where there is limited or no broadband access. Windsor is hardly an example of "rural". You're absolutely right, I don't live in rural Ontario. How do you know that "most" satellite customers are in rural Ontario. Because out here, there are no other options. You have Bell or Shaw. Nothing more. There are two OTA channels. Of the ten houses around me, five have Bell dishes. Rogers is an option is some small towns and cities, or other cable providers. Outside? Bell or Shaw. |
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said by notrural :That still does not explain how you came to the conclusion that there are more rural Bell satellite users than ones in areas with higher access speeds. You just keep re-iterating that rural users use Bell satellite, which while true, does not mean they make up the majority of satellite users. Exactly. Just from density, there are probably lots more satellite users in urban areas than in rural, but at this stage of a conversation, there's usually no point in arguing with DKS... |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by notrural :said by DKS:Because out here, there are no other options. You have Bell or Shaw. That still does not explain how you came to the conclusion that there are more rural Bell satellite users than ones in areas with higher access speeds. You just keep re-iterating that rural users use Bell satellite, which while true, does not mean they make up the majority of satellite users. Do you have proof that they are not? My point is that this idiotic endeavour, once again, keeps rural folks in the dark. Proof, again, that Bell doesn't understand the concept of the digital divide. |
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