SarickIt's Only Logical Premium Member join:2003-06-03 USA |
Sarick
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2014-Nov-26 8:18 am
Windows 8 with Avast and KB3000850 bricked OS reported.quote: Security software outfit Avast are trying to figure out why the combination of recent Windows patches and updates to the latter company's software are breaking PCs. Hordes of users have found that their PCs, especially those running Windows 8 and 8.1, grind to a halt after they apply both Microsoft's recent KB3000850 update rollup and Avast's latest automatic updates.
» www.guru3d.com/news-stor ··· -os.htmlI saw this on and thought it would be worth mentioning because it's security/it specific and not being reported. |
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norwegian Premium Member join:2005-02-15 Outback |
Nothing surprising really.
I've enjoyed Avast for some years but it has always had a network / system bug and sooner or later it will not just cover the basics.
This is not the first time, nor the last and can be said for all software. Now what do we do about that?
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SarickIt's Only Logical Premium Member join:2003-06-03 USA |
Sarick
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2014-Nov-26 9:22 am
I think it has something to do with the new DDNS changes on Avast.I think the last update included net secure or something that intercepted DNS and encrypted it. Just my 2 cents. |
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altermatt Premium Member join:2004-01-22 White Plains, NY
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to Sarick
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to Sarick
Avast has fixed the issue, but I blame this one on Microsoft, not testing their updates properly prior to releasing them. Avast was working fine until Microsoft released this update, not the other way around. |
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SarickIt's Only Logical Premium Member join:2003-06-03 USA |
to altermatt
I did miss it. Thanks for posting that link. |
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ZZZZZZZ Premium Member join:2001-05-27 PARADISE |
to Dr Tweak
It was an optional update........who in their right minds install those anyway? You would have had to given permission in the 1st place. |
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to Sarick
KB3000850 is an optional install. Don't use it! |
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KoRnGtL15 Premium Member join:2007-01-04 Grants Pass, OR
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to Dr Tweak
said by Dr Tweak:Avast has fixed the issue, but I blame this one on Microsoft, not testing their updates properly prior to releasing them. Avast was working fine until Microsoft released this update, not the other way around.
No. Its is CLEARLY Avast fault and I quote. "We have been able to simulate the problem in our lab and I think we fixed this issue. This Windows updates calls new memory related functions which are not fully compatible with Avast." No one else had this problem except for Avast. |
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Yeah right, Avast working fine, Windows working fine. Microsoft has an update, not Avast having an update, and then Windows crashes. Just because they can simulate the issue doesn't make it their fault. If Avast had the update and then there was an issue then yes, it would be 100% on Avast. |
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Well it might of broke Avast but it fixed a one year issue of Windows Explorer using almost 300MB of RAM with Webroot SecureAnywhere on Win 8.1 x64 which we all thought was Microsoft's fault in the first place. » community.webroot.com/t5 ··· -p/60523 and after the KB3000850 update » community.webroot.com/t5 ··· 3#M10637TH |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC
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to Sarick
It's most distressing when your antivirus product prevents Windows Updates or even Bricks your OS as a result. You stupid BRICK! PCs running Avast AV can't handle Windows fixes» www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· s_fixes/ |
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dave Premium Member join:2000-05-04 not in ohio
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to Dr Tweak
Operating systems provide documented interfaces as a contract with application code. If application code assumes behavior beyond the contract, and that behavior changes, then the application code is at fault, not the OS.
So, if you're going to say it's Microsoft's fault, you'll have to point out the documented API whose behavior changed from what was documented. |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC |
to Sarick
With Support at MS Answers this bad - who needs enemies ! » answers.microsoft.com/en ··· 11304948 |
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ZZZZZZZ Premium Member join:2001-05-27 PARADISE |
ZZZZZZZ
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2014-Nov-27 3:01 pm
I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan and I personally think that most of their techs are incompetent idiots....... .but you literally have to do a manual Windows update,then install an optional update to have these problems.The users are not only to blame here,but are brain dead to trust optional updates from Microsoft. |
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dave Premium Member join:2000-05-04 not in ohio |
to siljaline
Yeah, we can all be wise after the event, but I'm not so sure that I'd have figured out the problem if some user had come to me with the given symptoms. |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC |
Are you referring to how bad the support at MS Answers has become (or)... That MS issued out yet another BRICK KB ? |
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dave Premium Member join:2000-05-04 not in ohio |
dave
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2014-Nov-27 9:06 pm
The inability of someone at tech support to diagnose the problem - which I thought was your subject. |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC 1 edit |
The inability of some at MS Answers to address the problem or problems at hand have not gone unnoticed. It's a disturbing trend, very disturbing. quote: Note: KB3000850 is an Optional, non-security update. Feel free to hide it & move on with your life.
Regardless of the *UpBork* Patches. |
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI
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Well, if you think that is bad, then you should see the replies I've gotten in a current thread at MS Answers.
As for this Nov rollup update for 8.1, I'm glad I run 8.0. If I had 8.1, I would not have installed it anyway even before the issues with Avast surfaced (or the issues with Classic Shell and others). The only reason to install a package like that is if you are having problems and are reasonably sure (from your research and expert opinions you have sought) that the package will fix your problems. Same with video drivers. Never update those unless you have a very specific reason and need to do so.
When an MVP at Microsoft Answers questions how one could possibly update Flash Player on Windows 8 on IE 10 without using Windows Updates to do it, well, I think maybe that site should be written off in regards to useful help for users. (Technet is better for support). |
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siljaline
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2014-Nov-27 10:16 pm
I know you don't do Twitter but I'm going to hang this on your reply as we seem to have a trend going as to were to seek alternatives to MS Answers. I've had excellent results with Windows Support on Twitter - (for those socially inclined) » twitter.com/windowssupportMS PC Safety is always there if you need them. 1 - 866 - 727 - 2338 |
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to Mele20
When you say TechNet, you do mean: so that passers by know where to go in lieu of MS Answers. » social.technet.microsoft ··· -US/home |
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI |
Mele20
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2014-Nov-28 5:23 am
Yes, I mean the link you gave. I have to use IE there though. Fx and Pale Moon give me a "javascript void" message when I try to reply to a thread there but I can read with no problems. |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC |
Conversely - I require Firefox to login to Social TechNet and the other place as I suspect it's the TPL's and such that don't let me in. |
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI |
Mele20
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2014-Nov-28 8:05 pm
Can you believe this? The MVP answering my current question at MS Answers stated that my daily task that updates Windows Defender definitions is probably not working correctly and bases this supposition on a convoluted twisting of the facts. This MVP has viciously attacked me in the past and, while having been civil in this current thread, is trying to make me believe I have a SEVERE infection and that my passwords, credit cards have all been compromised and that I must immediately disconnect from the internet and reformat my computer and reinstall Windows 8.
Since I have the task to update Windows Defender set to run at a time I am always on the computer, I see the command window pop up and run the task EVERY NIGHT so I have not the slightest doubt that the task is working correctly. For a very long time MVP to make the suppositions and jump to such extreme conclusions (all because IE 10 has a oddity that I believe is Microsoft's fault because Microsoft is paying no attention for a long time now to making sure patches work correctly on Windows 8 Pro (NOT 8.1)) is appalling.
I guess I will be writing off Microsoft Answers as that site now is full of pompous MVP know- it-alls who immediately attack anyone who doesn't worship Microsoft. I was shocked, about a year ago, when the MVP's there were so vicious toward a Dell forum RockStar (an honor given by Dell to their best forum helpers/posters) who dared to speak out about a Microsoft problem that was very adversely affecting many Dell customers. He was tarred and feathered and run out of Microsoft Answers for daring to point out that Microsoft is not perfect. I stood up for him (as he asked for those of us brave enough to speak against those MVPs and to support his efforts) and admire him greatly (he is the author of Dell's Wikis on how to do clean installs of various Windows versions on Dell computers as it is not a straightforward thing with Dell computers). Anyhow, this MVP who thinks I have a severe infection was one of the MVPs there who attacked this Dell forum helper.
This particular MVP attacked me over a thread I started in Microsoft Answers months ago about a bad Windows Defender definitions update (I debated where to start the thread and in retrospect should not have put it in Microsoft Answers. Probably Microsoft Support on Twitter would have been better and maybe I will join Twitter just for something like this. With any third party antivirus program I would have gone to the vendor's forum and informed them of the bad definition update so they could quickly correct it but I didn't know how to quickly contact Microsoft about it. The definitions had just been updated when I got them and they were bad so I figured Microsoft might not have yet been aware there was a problem). I corrected some ignorant statements this MVP made about Windows Defender on Windows 8 so this person evidently has it in for me.
What I find most perturbing though at Microsoft Answers is that NEVER is it entertained by these MVP's that the problem could possibly be a flub up by Microsoft. Instead, the MVP's cloak their hostility toward users who think Microsoft might be at fault in a barrage of demands of answers to a bunch of questions that are tedious and very time consuming to answer and then MORE tedious, time consuming questions to answer...never once exploring that the problem could be of Microsoft's making. |
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