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Re: Insane catfood prices (and no savings at Amazon?)And as I told you before I went through 5 vets for my cats (Last idiot who is a feline only vet tried to tell me it would be $3800 to have my cats lag amputated while every other vet was $800-1100. Every one of them only supports their in house brand or nothing else.
How does a vet know about pet nutrition when they read the same info as everyone one else does or are you actually saying their knowledge passed on trough hill/royal canine is 100% thruth what pets need vs pushing a product that has cheap ingredients in it but it must be good because its in a vets office.
Four years in Guelph and a few weeks spent on nutrition yah ok.
Anyways my cats are going to be back on raw after the new years (when I get the grinder). Much easier to get the portions right with a grinder than mixing already made RAW from the butchers as it frozen and has to be defrosted in the fridge first then all the ingredient mixed together. |
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Gone Premium Member join:2011-01-24 Fort Erie, ON |
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said by HeadSpinning:I'm going by what my vet told me about my cat specifically and her situation, and cats in general. If you were married to an engineer, I wouldn't trust your knowledge on building a skyscraper - just because you sleep with a vet doesn't mean you took the same training. That's a pretty bold statement, especially when I would trust an engineers basic knowledge on what is involved to construct a structure before I would a line cook posting on the Internet who claims to know exactly how to build it. I've had three vets since having animals. All have taken a pragmatic approach to diet - if the cat is healthy and the food agrees with them, feed it to them. There is no need to go to all the trouble and expense in feeding your cat food better than you would eat yourself if they're going to live the same healthy life on both types of food. I have discussed a dry diet with my vet, and he agrees with it. But my cats are healthy except for one that has obesity issues, and our vet recommended portion control to resolve that issue rather than switching food - which worked. My mother had a cat that had skin issues later in life and the vet recommended a switch to moist food. It resolved the issue. That cat lived predominately on dry food and lived to the ripe old age of 18. Would she have lived any longer on moist food? Would her quality of life have been any better? Probably not. No one here - not you, or anyone else - is in a position to belittle or berate anyone over the discussions they have with their vet about diet any more than they are entitled to berate someone about the discussion they have with their own doctor. The Internet seems to make a lot of experts out of a lot of people, but in reality all it really produces are a lot of opinions for which people don't have to deal with the social realities of having to defend those opinions to a person's face. This discussion here is no different. |
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said by analog andy:And as I told you before I went through 5 vets for my cats (Last idiot who is a feline only vet tried to tell me it would be $3800 to have my cats lag amputated while every other vet was $800-1100. Every one of them only supports their in house brand or nothing else.
How does a vet know about pet nutrition when they read the same info as everyone one else does or are you actually saying their knowledge passed on trough hill/royal canine is 100% thruth what pets need vs pushing a product that has cheap ingredients in it but it must be good because its in a vets office.
Four years in Guelph and a few weeks spent on nutrition yah ok. I am sorry that you were unable to establish a relationship with a vet that would afford you the ability to have frank and factual discussions with them. Some vets suck. I guess I have been lucky. The vet I have now is fantastic. He stocks food, but he outright told me that there isn't much difference between it and a high quality food you can buy in the store for less money. I appreciate his honesty. |
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said by Gone:No one here - not you, or anyone else I was just throwing a bit of his 'tude back in his face. A cat in the wild eating prey gets moisture from the food they eat, as well as water they drink. A cat eating only kibble doesn't get that, and many cats shy away from drinking water. CRF is a common condition in cats - particularly as they age. I went through a hell of a time with my cat and they (the vet - more than one at the same clinic) told me that an all dry diet is what likely contributed to it. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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Watch a doc called Fed Up, it'll wake you up. |
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Especially when he feeds Friskies, the bottom if the barrel wet food |
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said by HeadSpinning:I was just throwing a bit of his 'tude back in his face. His 'tude' at least had some basis beyond just searching Google and finding a pre-determined opinion one agrees with. Particularly when people here are spreading ignorant bullshit like claiming that shitty wet food is better than a high-quality dry food and then going on to rag on a vet for the education they have on animal health and nutrition. I could easily search Google for all sorts of anti-vaccination bullshit too and how doctors are bought and paid for by pharmaceutical companies, but it doesn't mean that any of that is right just because people post on the Internet about it. I lost a cat to CRF as well when I was a kid. But he wasn't on an all dry diet. The vet told us that some cats are simply genetically disposed to this kind of stuff the same way humans are genetically disposed to certain illnesses. As for hydration, the best way I've found to encourage cats to drink more water is to get a fountain. Made a huge difference. Cats hate standing water. |
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said by Gone:His 'tude' at least had some basis beyond just searching Google and finding a pre-determined opinion one agrees with. Particularly when people here are spreading bullshit as ignorant as claiming that shitty wet food is better than a high-quality dry food. I didn't make that claim at all. I made no comparison between grades of food - I only noted that an all dry diet wasn't the best thing for cats due to hydration issues. As you noted, a fountain helps a lot too. |
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You didn't. Someone else did. And as I've said, my vet has no issues with an all-dry diet so long as the cat is healthy. When you've got cats living to be 18 or even 21 and still alive (though, sadly, not for long) like my wife's grandmothers cat on all-dry diets, is it even worth the angst and the claims some people are making about wet vs. dry? |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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I've lost 2 due to.CRF but they were 19 and 17 when it all caught up.to them |
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A Lurkerthat's Ms Lurker btw Premium Member join:2007-10-27 Wellington N |
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said by Robert4:Wet food should only be used if cat is sick or lost its appetite, as recommended by your vet. I use wet food to give diet supplements to the cat. Only one needs it but they both end up getting it. Sadly, the one that needs it won't eat the 'good for him' paste that the vet suggested. She suggested that I just add lysine to a small amount of wet food. (And picky SOB will only eat the low end pate-style from Fancy Feast) |
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said by Gone:We feed our cats Blue Buffalo as it's one of the few brands that doesn't cause my 14 year old Siamese mix to puke. I buy the same brand for my dog, only brand he wont scoff at. |
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said by elwoodblues:Costco sells crap pet food. One thing I've learned over the years is, buying inexpensive pet food is not a deal.
The cheap stuff is full of grains (filler) causing pets to eat more. I bought a bag if Performatrin cst food, the cat easily ate 3x (cup and a half) if what she eats will the Wellness product. i know the cheap stuff uses grains and filler, which is why i buy ours from Costco, as it doesn't. » www.dogfoodadvisor.com/d ··· og-food/it's about $38 for an 18kg bag, which is a decent price for a decent dog food. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
Do you read what you post? The first ingredient is Turkey Meal, then veggies grains and other unprounceable ingredients. |
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koiraHey Siri Walk Me Premium Member join:2004-02-16 |
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shop at Rens, its where I buy my dog food and supplies. they have a loyalty deal where the 10th bag is free » www.renspets.com/ |
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Friskies (Chicken Pate) is temporary since they wont touch any of the other wet foods. Yes it has rice in it but the first 3 ingredients are meat. The only other stuff they would touch was Holostic Duck that at $2.79 per can it had way more crap in it than Friskies. I need about 700 grams of food per day also.
Either way they're going back on RAW as soon as I get my grinder (Jan) much easier to grind things up and get the bone/calcium % more precise than when I was getting ground up chicken and chicken/fine bone for dogs. With the grinder I can make a months worth at once with the pre ground meat/bones/liver I can only make 4 days worth at a time and I'd like to not de-frost and refreeze the meat. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in
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Never re-freeze meat unless you want to kill someone or your dogs. |
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said by analog andy:said by DKS:Over the last 25 years, my two dogs have always eaten Royal Canin dry. They have always been healthy and done well. One was 17 at his death. The other is still living. Food recommended by our vet, whom I trust (she's a Guelph grad). Dogs and cats are 180% different when it come to nutrition. Dog can go days with out food while cats can't. +1. Royal Canin for cats is not so great but dogs are a little more hardy. |
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said by HeadSpinning:said by Gone:His 'tude' at least had some basis beyond just searching Google and finding a pre-determined opinion one agrees with. Particularly when people here are spreading bullshit as ignorant as claiming that shitty wet food is better than a high-quality dry food. I didn't make that claim at all. I made no comparison between grades of food - I only noted that an all dry diet wasn't the best thing for cats due to hydration issues. As you noted, a fountain helps a lot too. I noted the fountain. A cat wouldn't find dry kibble in the wild; it has too little moisture in it (by design) at best and too much carbohydrate and filler at worst. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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Royal Canin is the same as the overpriced stuff the Vet sells. |
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said by Last Parade:in the wild; it has too little moisture in it (by design) at best and too much carbohydrate and filler at worst. Feral cats in the wild have a lifespan that is only a fraction of a cared for house cat even on an all-dry diet, making the entire discussion about what they'd do and/or eat in the wild entirely pointless. |
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said by elwoodblues:Do you read what you post? The first ingredient is Turkey Meal, then veggies grains and other unprounceable ingredients. there isn't really anything wrong with "meal", provided the rest of the food ingredients are good, which they are. Blue Buffalo dry food is also rated comparably (3.5 stars), despite being considerably more money (and it even has brown rice in it). » www.dogfoodadvisor.com/d ··· ics-dry/just because it is at Costco doesn't mean it is low quality...it is still a decent dog food at an affordable price. |
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said by elwoodblues:Royal Canin is the same as the overpriced stuff the Vet sells. When we first got this dog she had what our vet diagnosed to be "digestive issues" and he recommended some Gastrointestinal food available from royal vet only dry food. So we did that for a couple years and the price kept increasing to the point of ridiculous over $140 for 30lb bag. I had about enough of that so I compared ingredients to a retail version called Sensitive digestion by the same manufacturer...royal canin. Did a comparason of the nutrients , calories etc and convinced myself the retail was actually better for half the cost at $66 a 30 lb bag. It has protein from chicken instead of soy. Switched her food gradually and the dog seems better off for it. Plus sometimes it's on sale and every 10th bag is free. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
What kills me is when they "send you home" with some cans of food (I have a cat) and then charge you for it.
Also depending on the Vet if the pet won't eat they'll take it back (again dealing with Cans of food vs a bag of dry stuff) |
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I agree, I'm just saying that's far from "premium" try something like No Grain or Wellness Core. |
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koiraHey Siri Walk Me Premium Member join:2004-02-16 |
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Yeah for what they charge at the vet I might as well be feeding her beef tenderloin |
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said by koira:Yeah for what they charge at the vet I might as well be feeding her beef tenderloin And that would be healthier then the crap they sell. |
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said by Gone:said by Last Parade:in the wild; it has too little moisture in it (by design) at best and too much carbohydrate and filler at worst. Feral cats in the wild have a lifespan that is only a fraction of a cared for house cat even on an all-dry diet, making the entire discussion about what they'd do and/or eat in the wild entirely pointless. The duration of the lifespan of a feral cat is often more determined by environment and predators. And a cat can live over 20 years on mostly dry food (had one) but the chances of them suffering kidney failure in later years on crap like Friskies and Iams? Pretty good. |
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I'm curious if any cat owners ever put out two types (eg wet and dry) at the same time, to see if the cat prefers one or the other or some of both?
I'm assuming that a cat might have some instinct as to what is best for them?
Sorry if that sounds naive.... |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
said by PX Eliezer1:I'm curious if any cat owners ever put out two types (eg wet and dry) at the same time, to see if the cat prefers one or the other or some of both?
I'm assuming that a cat might have some instinct as to what is best for them?
Sorry if that sounds naive.... Interesting idea, some cats,like mine, are happy with dry food, others prefer the wet stuff. |
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