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vmediacrave
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2014-Dec-12 3:07 pm
VMedia: Any plans to offer CraveTV?I was wondering if VMedia had plans to offer CraveTV? This service is quite good, and would probably fit nicely on the Vbox.
Once the storm subsides, and CraveTV is available, we might make the switch! |
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Dunlop
Member
2014-Dec-12 3:25 pm
I'm very doubtful Bell would allow Vmedia or Zazeen to be eligable. It seems to be against what they are trying to accomplish
Tether subscribers to outdated cable services
That said I am impressed so far with what is offered on CraveTV, time will tell if they build on it |
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vmediacrave
Anon
2014-Dec-12 3:33 pm
Why? All providers are eligible. I'm not sure what's involved, but I'm certain Bell is not preventing Vmedia from offering it. |
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I think it should be available for everyone, which Bell should be offering instead of the cable company prerequisite in the first place.
IPTV from third party providers is probably something they do not want to encourage ; ) |
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said by vmediacrave :I was wondering if VMedia had plans to offer CraveTV? Bwah hahah. said by vmediacrave :Why? All providers are eligible. I haven't looked into this at all, but.. Well, on the surface, that looks like an extremely naive question. I believe eligible probably means that VMedia is eligible to pay Bell a huge amount of money to get customers access, possibly a huge amount per customer even--and yes, that would be in addition to individual subscription fees paid by end customers to Bell. On top of that, let's not forget CBB charges to indy ISPs. Even if VMedia could add customers to Crave at the same price that Eastlink adds customers to crave--and that is very unlikely--CBB means that VMedia is paying a huge premium, in many cases directly to Bell, when customers actually use it. While I'm sure Bell wants to maintain the illusion that "all providers are eligible", I seriously doubt they actually mean it. I expect that while it is technically possible, the indy ISPs will be priced out of the picture. Would be nice to be wrong though, I guess |
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said by vmediacrave :Why? All providers are eligible. I'm not sure what's involved, but I'm certain Bell is not preventing Vmedia from offering it. Yaaaaaaa, right! Because Bell is widely known for being sooooo cooperative with IISP's right? |
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Anzio
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2014-Dec-12 7:55 pm
said by 69230940:Yaaaaaaa, right! Because Bell is widely known for being sooooo cooperative with IISP's right? Except this isn't about IISP's. I'm not sure if the cost to offer CraveTV is exorbitantly high, but it would stem from VMedia's IPTV department rather than their internet offerings since CraveTV requires a subscription to traditional TV services. |
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69230940 (banned)
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2014-Dec-12 8:09 pm
said by Anzio:said by 69230940:Yaaaaaaa, right! Because Bell is widely known for being sooooo cooperative with IISP's right? Except this isn't about IISP's. I'm not sure if the cost to offer CraveTV is exorbitantly high, but it would stem from VMedia's IPTV department rather than their internet offerings since CraveTV requires a subscription to traditional TV services. Still doesn't mean Bell is giving it away! I'm also positive the price to offer CraveTV is exhorbinantly low!! lol They've also been know to play much harder ball with IISP's than their friendly counterpart Incumbents......... Not sure the point u are trying to get across... |
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Nitra
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2014-Dec-12 8:11 pm
Actually.... Bell is giving it away...
All current TMN subscribers on FibeTV get it for free. I'm one of them. |
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69230940 (banned)
Member
2014-Dec-12 8:21 pm
So you know for a fact that every provider that offers TMN automatically gets a sub to CraveTV for free?
Source?
I don't doubt for a second that they are giving it to their own customers. Much like if you are viewing over the Bell receiver, it doesn't eat up your bandwidth but it does if you view it on any other platform....
Bell giving something to Independents for free? C'mon Nitra, you know much better than that! |
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Nitra
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2014-Dec-12 8:56 pm
I never said that... I said.... said by Nitra:All current TMN subscribers on FibeTV get it for free. Was clear. |
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No, you were not clear at all
You said:
"Bell is giving it away"
and left out "solely to it's own customers" |
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Nitra
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2014-Dec-12 10:06 pm
No, I did not edit my post, I said exactly the truth, you didn't read it. |
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69230940 (banned)
Member
2014-Dec-12 11:38 pm
I didn't say you edited it, I think you need to go back and read....lol |
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Anzio
Member
2014-Dec-12 11:53 pm
said by 69230940:I didn't say you edited it, I think you need to go back and read....lol I think you do. Nitra said that Bell is giving it away for free to TMN subscribers, such as myself. It was very clear. Perhaps your confusion stems from you wrongly believing that Bell Media and Bell are the exact same thing. While they are certainly related, they both offer and participate in two different areas. Back to the original topic, I highly doubt Bell Media is outlining different terms for Vmedia vs other TV providers. I'm sure VMedia is reviewing the terms and determining whether or not to offer the service. |
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69230940 (banned)
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2014-Dec-13 1:34 am
said by Anzio:said by 69230940:I didn't say you edited it, I think you need to go back and read....lol I think you do. Nitra said that Bell is giving it away for free to TMN subscribers, such as myself. It was very clear. Perhaps your confusion stems from you wrongly believing that Bell Media and Bell are the exact same thing. While they are certainly related, they both offer and participate in two different areas. Back to the original topic, I highly doubt Bell Media is outlining different terms for Vmedia vs other TV providers. I'm sure VMedia is reviewing the terms and determining whether or not to offer the service. I did no such thing. His exact quote is "Bell is giving it away" In response to something I said about Bell not giving it away. He then later goes on to say "to subs of TMN" There is nothing wrong with my comprehension skills. You, him and I know exactly what kind of double talk is going on now.... As for your beliefs--how about some proof to back that up??? One thing where Bell charged ANY Independent less or equal to what they charged their own customers or another Incumbent? Anything?? That's right, there isn't anything. Not one single occurrance anywhere to be found. That being said, tell me, what EXACTLY do you base your "beliefs" on? |
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Re: VMedia: Any plans to offer CraveTV?He clearly stated it in the same post. Now, for some reason you seem to believe I am arguing the point that Bell is giving Vmedia a hell of a deal to offer CraveTV. Nowhere did I argue that. Stop putting words in our mouths korey. quote: I'm also positive the price to offer CraveTV is exhorbinantly low!!
You seemed to argue that the price to offer it would be low. Fact is, it is available to all CCSA members. Since VMedia is apart of the Canadian Cable Systems Alliance, they'll just need to evaluate the offering. » ccsa.cable.ca/ccsamember ··· ompaniesI'm not positive, but looking at the list of member benefits here: » ccsa.cable.ca/ccsamemberbenefits. It's safe to say that the price to offer CraveTV is likely governed and the same for all providers since network negotiations are handled by CCSA and not VMedia. |
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Re: VMedia: Any plans to offer CraveTV?Where oh where do you see the list of providers that Bell is offering CraveTV to? I mean an official list, not just their marketing and PR reps saying so?
Where oh where have you ever gotten the idea that Bell plays fair with IISPs? Do you not read any of the threads here?
As for my price is low comment, that was sarcasm! As for me arguing about you saying bell is giving a hell of a deal to Vmedia, now who's putting words into whose mouth? Fact is you have been doing that to me the entire thread, yet I get censored and you get to continue doing it.
You are arguing that Bell plays fair ball when negotiating with IISP's. You have still yet to show me one single instance where this has happened........ |
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Right now everyone seems to be arguing over speculation.
GeorgeBurger writes on this forum very frequently, shouldn't he be able to provide a definitive answer? |
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said by 69230940:Where oh where do you see the list of providers that Bell is offering CraveTV to? I mean an official list, not just their marketing and PR reps saying so? info.cravetv.ca Scroll to the very bottom. You will see a signup to be notified when the channel is available to your cable provider. In the pulldown box, it lists all of the major cable providers in the country, and lets you choose "Other" and gives a box to enter the name of your cable provider if you're with one of the other providers (such as IPTV). While it's not exactly a concrete confirmation, it's an indication that Bell intends to make it available to everybody. As of right now, there's already a few non-Bell carriers who are currently offering it (Eastlink, and Telus Optik, for example). And if you go to the FAQ, you see this: I really want to subscribe, but I don't see my television provider listed. What gives?
Bell TV, Bell Aliant, Telus Optik TV and Eastlink are the first distribution partners to carry CraveTV, but we're in talks with all television service providers to get it in your hands. If your provider isn't listed, you can help by calling and letting them know you're interested. |
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Anzio
Member
2014-Dec-15 4:20 pm
+1 taraf. Additionally, Bell Media stated in their press release that they reached an agreement with CCSA. Which means negotiations have been handled already and CraveTV is ready to go pending individual provider signup. Vmedia is a CCSA member.
Of course, this information will just be ignored because "Bell doesn't play fair."
The whole point of this alliance is so that Vmedia doesn't have to deal with networks and deal with unfair advantage problems. |
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69230940 (banned)
Member
2014-Dec-16 6:26 am
said by Anzio:Bell Media stated in their press release Enough said. |
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bt
Member
2014-Dec-16 8:28 am
said by 69230940:said by Anzio:Bell Media stated in their press release Enough said. Yes, enough said. That's not a wishy-washy vague open statement meant to misdirect that they gave on the topic. It was a statement that was not open to alternate interpretation. Or do you actually think they'd lie about reaching a legal agreement with a 3rd party in their press release? It'd never get cleared by legal. And if there's one thing I trust Bell to do, it's to cover their legal asses. |
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