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Octavean
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Intel "Broadwell" NUC

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Intel "Broadwell" NUC Spotted on Company Website

Intel's next-generation NUC (next unit of computing) compact desktop, believed to be based on the company's Core "Broadwell" processor, was spotted on the company website. Pictures reveal that the next NUC could be pocketable, yet have the computing power of

»www.techpowerup.com/2080 ··· ite.html

And the march goes on,...

ccallana
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Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

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said by ccallana:

Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

No, because it kills the purpose of having a functioning computer. I use these as regular desktops (and temp servers) due to the small size and portability. Making them to essentially an screenless-laptop is pointless.
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Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

CoreM is great, but can't drive 4K monitors which is a key point of the NUCs.

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It's basically just an Atom replacement isn't it?

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said by ccallana:

Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

CoreM is great, but can't drive 4K monitors which is a key point of the NUCs.

Is 4K really a key point of the NUCs,....?

Adding NUCs to the NUC lineup that aren't 4K capable wouldn't be all that surprising IMO.

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Define "drive 4K monitors" - Where is it said 4k isn't supported on CoreM? Looks like maybe you can't have *multiple* 4K displays, but it certainly can have at least 1....

From »software.intel.com/en-us ··· graphics
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DisplayPort* 1.2 / eDP*
Y-Processors: 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz, 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz capable (One display at 38 x 21 @ 60 Hz, 2nd display capped to 25 x 16, no 3rd display, additional cooling required)
HDMI*: 4096 x 2304, 3840 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 24bpp
DVI: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

Octavean
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Sounds good to me.

If the argument is the NUC needs 4K support for living room entertainment then it seems well suited. Most people aren't going to try and run multiple 4K UHD TVs in the living room after all.

As for multiple 4K displays for the desktop, why not step up to a more robust processor (in a different form factor possibly with the ability to add a full sized video card) if you think you need such a feature.

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The problem with the CoreM is that it's such a lackluster processor in every other way. It's basically just taking the place of the Intel Atoms.

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said by sk1939:

said by ccallana:

Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

No, because it kills the purpose of having a functioning computer. I use these as regular desktops (and temp servers) due to the small size and portability. Making them to essentially an screenless-laptop is pointless.

They're already using the laptop ver of the core i3/5.

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There's using a mobile i3/i5 and then there's using an Atom/SoC.

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ya the mobile vs the ultra mobile.

My mom's using one with the Haswell i3 and 8gb ram and is very happy with it.

before she was using an atom based system and wasn't.
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My wife also has the Haswell i3 based NUC and that thing is FAST

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i'm actually looking to buy a pair of the i5 models with 16gb of ram and use them as esxi hosts for my lab. storage isn't a concern -- as i'll boot everything from lan over my synology nas. i figure for the power/footprint -- they'd work well for some test and infrastructure vms.

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said by tubbynet:

i'm actually looking to buy a pair of the i5 models with 16gb of ram and use them as esxi hosts for my lab. storage isn't a concern -- as i'll boot everything from lan over my synology nas. i figure for the power/footprint -- they'd work well for some test and infrastructure vms.

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They work quite well for that, but be aware that some of the models don't support VT-x and/or aren't on the HCL.
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There seems to be some confusion about CoreM. It is a Core processor redesigned and throttled to have a lower 5W TDW, putting off less heat and allowing mobile devices to be really thin. So its performance is compromised compared to other Cores, though still better than an Atom. It's recommended for large tablets and the new laptops with detachable tablets. Although CoreM is good for some devices, there is no good reason to put it in a NUC, you'd get the compromised performance and the advantages don't relate to a desktop. As it is, I read somewhere that in the retail channels the i5 NUCs are outselling i3 NUCs.

»www.notebookcheck.net/In ··· 0.0.html

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I actually think they make sense in some version of a NUC - fanless Core performance is desirable for some situations... But you are correct, for many applications, moving up to an i3/i5 is probably the better option.

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Actually, you can still run the mobile i5's fan-less, so even then it's not that great of a criteria. There are a few applications where the CoreM makes sense (Lenovo Yoga, Dell Venue Pro's), but a desktop that is most likely not going to move or run on battery is not one of those applications. The CoreM makes sense when thinness and power savings due to battery operation is required.

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said by ccallana:

Need to build them with CoreM parts instead of Core i3/i5

Love sub 5W full featured SOC

Supposedly Apple is using Core M in an upcoming 12" MacBook Air line:

»www.techpowerup.com/2084 ··· e-m.html
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Apple's Next 12-inch MacBook Air to Feature USB 3.1 and Core M

Apple's next entry to its pathbreaking ultra-portable notebook, the MacBook Air, will be a new 12-inch screen size version. As with every new MacBook Air release for the past two years, there's talk of a screen resolution jump to "Retina" standards. Apple is preparing other cutting-edge hardware updates.

To begin with, Apple will tap Intel's latest Core M "Broadwell-U" chip, an SoC that combines a dual-core "Broadwell" CPU with graphics, a dual-channel DDR3L IMC, and system agent onto a single chip, with an overall TDP of 15W. Apple is working on a new fanless cooling system for this chip. The other big feature-set upgrade is the USB 3.1 port, which Intel plans to launch with the system agent for its next processor platform. USB 3.1 doubles bandwidth to 10 Gbps, and steps up power-delivery, letting you charge your portable devices faster.


As well as USB 3.1 support,.....

sk1939
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I'm still waiting for another NUC with Thunderbolt support.
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An i7 version has been announced. Assuming it will have Iris graphics, a full performance desktop.

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said by sk1939:

I'm still waiting for another NUC with Thunderbolt support.

I doubt that will ever happen as thunderbolt seems to have become a failed idea much like firewire.
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arstechnica review

»arstechnica.com/gadgets/ ··· a-box/3/

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said by sk1939:

They work quite well for that, but be aware that some of the models don't support VT-x and/or aren't on the HCL.

bought one (for now) with the i5-4250u. 16gb of ram. paired with a synology 1815+ with 8x4gb hgst 7200rpm drives. installed esxi from a usb drive, installed on same. running vcenter, two linux vm's, and a win2k12r2 vm (to handle dns and dhcp services from an aging hp laptop). running with next to no load (aside from when i nomachine into the linux hosts) and about 11gb of ram used.
going to end up purchasing another one. for the money ($349 + ~$109 for the ram + $15 for the 16gb usb 3.0 drive) -- you can't beat the performance.

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