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francois334
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2014-Dec-18 1:56 pm
[Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixDid some renos one of my outlet box sticks too much out of the drywall I didn't touch or reno this box but it looks like the stud behind the wall is warping and the electric box is nailed to it so it's porotruding how can I quick fix it I don't wanna Dremmel the excess t cus the socket needs something to screw into |
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garys_2k
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2014-Dec-18 1:58 pm
[Carpentry] Re: electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixPull out the outlet, carefully cut the box out completely (don't damage the wires) and replace the box with an old work box (likely need to move it over from where the old box was). Patch the old opening, re-install the wires and outlet into the new box, done. |
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djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV |
djrobx
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2014-Dec-18 4:33 pm
Agree with your solution, but why would you need to move it from the old location? The old work boxes typically grip from the top and bottom, so the presence of a stud to left or right won't prevent it from locking into place. |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
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Steel or plastic box? |
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO ·Charter
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If it's a plastic box and bulging on the "non-stud" side, see if it will push back in. If it does, use a madison clip to hold it in. If it's a metal box, you'll probably have to remove it. What I find most often is a warped stud (see top view cartoon). In this case, and old work box will be just as warped because of the stud. You'll have to move away from the stud to compensate for the warp. |
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francois334
Anon
2014-Dec-18 5:32 pm
Here in Canada it's illegal and against code to use a plastic wiring box for hydro. Plastic is only acceptable for low voltage like cable TV satellite and bell telephone. The stud is straight but the warping is left to right not at an angle so if I cut the nails with a Sawzall how do I really attach without breaking the dry wall? |
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nunya
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2014-Dec-18 5:37 pm
That's what I drew. TOPview. You have to move the box away from the stud. FWIW, I believe plastic boxes are not "illegal" for electrical use in Canada, just uncommon. |
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LazMan Premium Member join:2003-03-26 Beverly Hills, CA 1 edit |
LazMan
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2014-Dec-18 5:46 pm
Nunya's absolutely right - plastic boxes are fine by code; just not as common as they are in some parts of the states...
Edit - drywall is easy to fix... Cut away a chunk of drywall, remount the box securely, at the proper depth, and square to the wall. Fix drywall...
Done. |
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gbwalsh join:2010-07-25 Burlington, ON |
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Wrong. Every box in my new house that passed inspection is plastic except the f an boxes. |
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garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI |
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said by djrobx:Agree with your solution, but why would you need to move it from the old location? I thought that the problem with the old box was that the stud interfered, making it necessary to move it. |
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plantronic
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2014-Dec-19 7:39 am
is there any way of doing this with out cutting away at the dry wall? im sure the op would like to do this in the simplest and inexpensive way |
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garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI |
garys_2k
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2014-Dec-19 9:12 am
If the stud is in the way then something has to give -- cutting and repairing the drywall is usually the easiest. |
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Re: [Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixDon't be a pussy, beat that sucker back into the wall with a sledge hammer.....and then patch the drywall |
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plantronic
Anon
2014-Dec-19 11:41 am
you guys forgot, patching also requires painting the spot after the plaster is dried and sanded smooth, which adds to the cost of the repairs.
I would have a strong recommendation to the op, once you cut the electric box out of the hole, add some shims and re-screw it to the stud so its straight again, not sure why other people on here have not heard of that suggestion? then no patching, no plastering, no painting, just stick the electric socket back in the box and Wa La! |
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Re: [Carpentry] Re: electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixsaid by plantronic :is there any way of doing this with out cutting away at the dry wall? He'll need to be able to get the nail/screw that's holding the box in out. I've done it without cutting the drywall, but it's not always possible. If there are big nails going from one side of the box through to the other side and through the stud (which I don't think is allowed anymore, but I may be wrong), I've been able to get those out using needle nose pliers and pushing them out. They end up falling down in the wall, but I don't care. If there's a nail flush with the side of the box, it'll be harder. If it's screws then it should be easy, unless their angle doesn't allow it. |
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garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI |
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Re: [Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixsaid by plantronic :you guys forgot, patching also requires painting the spot after the plaster is dried and sanded smooth, which adds to the cost of the repairs.
I would have a strong recommendation to the op, once you cut the electric box out of the hole, add some shims and re-screw it to the stud so its straight again, not sure why other people on here have not heard of that suggestion? then no patching, no plastering, no painting, just stick the electric socket back in the box and Wa La! That might work, if shimming the support would still allow the same outside opening to be used. It may shove the whole box over enough, though, to require an over-sized opening (and an over-sized cover may be enough to take care of that). Patching and painting the wall is just minor collateral damage to something like this. The OP said he was doing a renovation so adding this very small bit of extra patching shouldn't be a big deal (if it is then I guess the "renovation" wasn't much to begin with). |
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Re: [Carpentry] Re: electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixsaid by cybersaga:He'll need to be able to get the nail/screw that's holding the box in out. I've done it without cutting the drywall, but it's not always possible. I've done it with a Hackzall by getting the metal cutting blade between the box and the stud it's nailed to. |
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Re: [Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixLOL. Nothing a beltsander and spackle can't fix! Just watch Home Flippers! |
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Re: [Carpentry] Re: electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixsaid by garys_2k:said by cybersaga:He'll need to be able to get the nail/screw that's holding the box in out. I've done it without cutting the drywall, but it's not always possible. I've done it with a Hackzall by getting the metal cutting blade between the box and the stud it's nailed to. +1 That's all that is needed. I don't understand people recommending tearing up the drywall when it's not needed. |
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO ·Charter
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Re: [Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixI did *three* of these today in less than an hour to fish new wires into walls. It's not the rocket science all these armchair quarterbacks are making it out to be. Cut around the outside of the box with a keyhole saw. A BF screwdriver pried between the box and the stud should get it started. Cut the nails with a pair of dykes. Pull the old box out.
The only difference for you: Cut enough sliver to move the ass of the box out from the stud. If the stud is on the left, cut you sliver to the right. Viola. You can spackle the crackle if you want (it's an old work box, so you don't have to if you don't want to). If you are a ginger enough, a medium or jumbo plate will cover the hole. |
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I hate to be a grammar ninny, but i just loved through "Wa La" and "Viola." I don't know what "Wa La" is, but here is a photo of a Viola: Viola
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nunyaLXI 483 MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO
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nunya
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2014-Dec-19 9:10 pm
I always say "VI-O-LA". It's a tongue-in-cheek redneck thing. |
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djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV |
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said by Cho Baka:I hate to be a grammar ninny, but i just loved through "Wa La" and "Viola." Sounds kinky! |
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jig join:2001-01-05 Hacienda Heights, CA
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always supply a picture. |
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ROMEOSANTOS
Anon
2014-Dec-20 8:01 am
u guys never heard of Wala? its what magicians say when they do a trick, they say "WA-LA" actually some say "TA-DA" but its the same tone they used anyways back to the topic here, so its definately plausable to remove the electric box, and re-attach it to the stud properly without cutting out the dry wall and patching it up? so why are people suggseting the latter then? if it were my house i would have to buy a hole new can of paint which is expensive just to paint over the patch, AINT NO BODY GOT TIME OR MONEY FOR DAT! |
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Re: [Carpentry] Re: electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixsaid by plantronic :is there any way of doing this with out cutting away at the dry wall? im sure the op would like to do this in the simplest and inexpensive way Picture would be nice and useful.. |
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Re: [Carpentry] electric box sticks out of drywall too much how to fixI called Mike Holmes and he recommended full demo of the wall and reframing it with blue board. You have a few choices: 1. Cut the drywall and fix it 2. Get a BFH and beat the box back into the wall. Then fix the drywall 3. Live with it. |
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said by ROMEOSANTOS :u guys never heard of Wala? its what magicians say when they do a trick, they say "WA-LA" Cho Baka's point is that "wa la" is the bad American pronunciation of the French "voila" (pronounced vwa-la). The "v" is often dropped because it takes a bit more effort for English people to say. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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said by ROMEOSANTOS :u guys never heard of Wala? its what magicians say when they do a trick, they say "WA-LA" actually some say "TA-DA" but its the same tone they used ...... It actually originates in Frecnh - " et voilà " - which translates to "and behold". Wa-La must be a Freedom Fries kind of thing - along with the 'R" in warshroom & Warshington, and 'Nookular". |
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