trparky Premium Member join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH ·AT&T U-Verse
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trparky
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2014-Dec-22 10:08 am
The future of AMD... may be game consoles.As we all know, both the XBOX One and the PlayStation 4 use an AMD APU as it's base processing unit. Now, it seems that there are rumors that the next Nintendo game console may also be using an AMD APU as well. Nintendos next console will likely use x86 AMD chip, just like the Xbox One and PS4What does this mean for AMD? Well... it may very well be the only thing that props up AMD and keeps it alive. Because so far, AMD has been getting absolutely killed in the general PC chip marketplace by Intel, it doesn't help that Bulldozer and it's successor Piledriver have been a dog when compared to anything Intel has been making as of late. Note: It may sound like I'm an Intel fanboy because generally that's all I use, Intel chips. Nothing else. Haven't touched anything AMD since the Core 2 series from Intel came out. No, I don't own stock in Intel. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
AMD GPUs give as good as they get and APUs dominate Intel's iGPU offerings for budget rigs. Yes, FX series CPUs are a bomb, but I think we're jumping ahead of ourselves here and assuming the "future of AMD is gaming consoles". |
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Kilroy MVM join:2002-11-21 Saint Paul, MN |
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So then it will be official, PC gaming is where it is at, as all consoles will be PC based. |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And Police Premium Member join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ |
C0deZer0
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2014-Dec-22 1:05 pm
said by Kilroy:So then it will be official, PC gaming is where it is at, as all consoles will be PC based. And yet it will still take another ten years to be able to actually emulate them in software. Unless AMD gets brazen enough to offer system emulator cards like there were back in the days of the 3DO and the Sega Saturn. |
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chip89 Premium Member join:2012-07-05 Columbia Station, OH |
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The Wii U uses AMD already. & The Wii before that also uses AMD. So all 3 consoles use AMD. |
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I'd be interested to know what margins AMD is getting on the hardware they sell to MS/Nintendo/Sony. I'll bet it's extremely slim. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
I'm sure it's a significant amount, but I don't know what positive impact it will have on the company. I have no hope for the FX successor, which means it will become an Intel-only market for high-end chips, which means we'll continue to see progress slow and prices rise. |
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Mentat Premium Member join:2001-02-25 Houston, TX |
Mentat
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2014-Dec-23 11:26 am
Have faith in Jim Keller. 2016 for an enthusiast chip. |
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trparky Premium Member join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH |
trparky
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2014-Dec-23 11:47 am
I certainly hope so or AMD is done. And as much as I prefer Intel, I know that without AMD keeping pressure on them Intel will stop keeping up the innovation and keeping prices down. |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And Police Premium Member join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ |
C0deZer0
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2014-Dec-23 11:54 am
Prices are down? It's still $330 for a proper chip from intel, minimum. And if you want a lot of RAM, $550. That doesn't even factor in the cost of the motherboard or compatible RAM, or if you have to buy a new PSU for the necessary connectors for everything. If anything, prices for PC hardware now have shot up like going from $2~ish to $4+/gallon on fuel, and never went back down. Same thing with storage. If you want any storage worth a damn, you're still stuck with mechanical hard drives. And the makers have been gouging on prices and using that flooded facility as an excuse ever since it happened. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
How is Intel responsible for HDD or memory prices? And CPUs are dirt cheap. Budget gamer (GPU + CPU): AMD A10-7850K $140 (fine for HTPC/casual gaming) Mainstream/high-end gamer: Quad-core, unlocked i5 $220 (good up to twin 780s/290X's) |
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Mentat Premium Member join:2001-02-25 Houston, TX 1 edit |
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said by trparky:I certainly hope so or AMD is done. And as much as I prefer Intel, I know that without AMD keeping pressure on them Intel will stop keeping up the innovation and keeping prices down. People have been sounding AMD's death knell for years. Core2 'killed' them, SB 'killed' them, Maxwell 'killed' them, and so on. Even during the halcyon days of Athlon 64, AMD never cracked 50% market share. They will be around in some form or fashion, but I doubt we'll ever see 2006 ever again. disclaimer: i've always been an AMD fanboy :/
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trparky Premium Member join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH ·AT&T U-Verse
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said by C0deZer0:Same thing with storage. If you want any storage worth a damn, you're still stuck with mechanical hard drives. 500 GB SSDs are decently priced. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
I picked up a Samsung 840 EVO 500GB for $180 with a free Far Cry 4 coupon a couple weeks back... |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And Police Premium Member join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ 1 edit |
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said by Krisnatharok:How is Intel responsible for HDD or memory prices?
And CPUs are dirt cheap.
Budget gamer (GPU + CPU): AMD A10-7850K $140 (fine for HTPC/casual gaming)
Mainstream/high-end gamer: Quad-core, unlocked i5 $220 (good up to twin 780s/290X's) Plus motherboard, plus cooling, plus PSU... Before you know it, you're already building from scratch, and that's the problem. NOBODY on sites like these ever seems to take that into account. You need an i7 for long term. Some might spout that Pentium G thing, but that would actually be a net downgrade from even an old Core 2 Q6600. And of course I can't reuse the same board I have. So I have to get a new board, and new RAM. And a new power supply to feed it. And that's if I was brazen enough to think I could reuse anything else from my current setup, which I more than likely cannot. None of the z97 or x99 boards worth a salt even have PCI slots (meant to say PCI here). So the last fully capable sound card is out. And AMD's boards are still stuck in PCIE 2.0, and won't do SLI. I might love AMD's CPU's for how good they've been to me over the years, but I despise their Radeon division after years of bad experiences. |
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said by trparky:said by C0deZer0:Same thing with storage. If you want any storage worth a damn, you're still stuck with mechanical hard drives. 500 GB SSDs are decently priced. And then it won't work with the board you have. There was a period when my old seagate's finally died after estimating 7 years of service. And after about week five of being without a PC, desperation got me to pick up an OCZ ARC 100 SSD. That thing wouldn't stop hard locking on my system long enough to even appreciate the 7.* WEI score I finally had, since Windows wants to artificially cap mechanical drives at 5.9 no matter what. Even when I posted this in reviews, everyone and their dog wanted to blame my motherboard instead of blaming the SSD. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
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I don't know why you're so full of piss and vinegar today, but your post is a mixture of bitterness and completely incorrect information.
First off, if you want to just whine, go for it. But this isn't an echo chamber and you'll find people who disagree with your notions. Of course building a complete rig takes more than just a CPU. Give us a budget and needs and we can give you a complete rig.
Let's compare the C2Q Q6600 with the Pentium Anniversary edition.
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz PassMark Score: 2,989 Price at release: $851
Pentium G3258 @ 3.2 GHz PassMark Score: 4,026 Price at release: $75
This shows you how advanced we've gotten in the past seven years--a third more performance at nine percent (9%) of the price. I don't think we need to belabor that point anymore.
All of the Z97/X99 boards have PCI-e slots, I don't know why you think they do not. They have to, to fit the spec...
And there's nothing wrong with the AMD Radeon video cards. Nvidia recently stole the crown with the GTX 980, but the companies have staggered release schedules and trade blows back and forth. With the prices of the 280/280X/290/290X, it is a great video card. |
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said by C0deZer0:And then it won't work with the board you have. SATA is backwards and forwards compatible. |
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Mentat Premium Member join:2001-02-25 Houston, TX |
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said by C0deZer0:You need an i7 for long term. Define long term. An i5 8** can still play any game that's out today, not to mention 2500s that are 10% behind Haswell-E's offerings. Also, wat? The 990FX chipset allows SLI, and the difference between PCIE 2.0 and 3.0 is irrelevant right now. And what is wrong with the GPU division? |
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said by C0deZer0:Even when I posted this in reviews, everyone and their dog wanted to blame my motherboard instead of blaming the SSD. They may have had a point. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
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Ghastly has an Ivy Bridge i5 chip powering twin GTX 780s, I believe. i7 is unneeded unless you are heavily into threaded apps. If not, having HT will not make your chip last longer, as the OS and basic apps will continue churning on the first couple cores anyways. |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And Police Premium Member join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ |
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said by Mentat:Define long term. Maybe it is a miracle, but my current system has lasted me, short of that hard drive failure, for going on seven years now. Annoyingly, Bioshock Infinite brings it to its knees now. And looking at sites like HWCompare, I'd need a minimum of a GTX 770 to see a justifiable cost-to-performance increase to even bother spending anything on a graphics upgrade. said by Mentat:An i5 8** can still play any game that's out today, not to mention 2500s that are 10% behind Haswell-E's offerings. Yet according to even Tom's, that Pentium G thing that everyone harps and raves about isn't even an upgrade from the Q6600 I have now. It's at most a side grade. And of course, besides losing two cores, it's practically required to overclock the piss out of it. So if I do that and get the kind of performance I should be expecting to make it an upgrade, it will be completely useless when I have to revert back to stock in the summer, or I then have to buy another one when the chip fries. And intel has that aggravating habit of changing chips and sockets like most people change pairs of socks, so when said chip fries I have to expect to buy a new board as well. It makes me miss the days of the old Socket A, where at least the same CPU could be carried over from rig to rig. Lastly, according to every forum and review site, I pretty much have to buy an i7. An i5 will just age sooner. said by Mentat:Also, wat? The 990FX chipset allows SLI, and the difference between PCIE 2.0 and 3.0 is irrelevant right now. And what is wrong with the GPU division? Years and years of bad drivers, ineffectual tech support, broken promises, and lousy warranty service. To put in perspective, when AMD finally saw fit to grant me an upgrade to a Radeon that was finally capable of performing at the level every benchmark in the world said my prior should have performed at, their software division legacy'd out the card not six weeks later with no warning or notification, and the same card died not even a month after that. Not that long ago, NVIDIA put out a heads-up saying that stuff below the GTX 400 series would eventually be legacy'd out of their drivers... but the deadline was 2016. Now, if I still keep rocking the 285 I have until past that, that's on me. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
I can't speak to your personal experiences, but AMD does not warranty Radeon video cards, the manufacturer does (Sapphire, Gigabyte, MSI, Asus, etc.).
And everything you are posting about current tech is flat out incorrect. i5's do not age faster than i7's, as already explained, the Pentium G is generally regarded as giving the most value when OC'd, and that is not your only option for building a new rig (already stated the i5 can drive two top-end cards in SLI/Xfire). |
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trparky Premium Member join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH ·AT&T U-Verse
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I have a Core i5 based machine and it's just fine. It does everything that I need it to do and more. I've had this build for about a year now (Core i5 3570k chip) and it's been a great machine.
That only reason why I would think that someone would need a Core i7 chip is if the user plans on running a bunch of virtual machines full time. I run a few VMs but only for testing purposes so it doesn't effect my normal computing. I load the VM, do the testing, and then close (shut down) the VM. |
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chip89 Premium Member join:2012-07-05 Columbia Station, OH |
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That's right! I have a radeon in my PC & I love it! & It has a good amount of power! I play games with it all the time works perfect they work really good. I have a AMD CPU to & I feel the same about it. |
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Ghastlyone Premium Member join:2009-01-07 Nashville, TN 1 edit |
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There's so much misinformation in this thread it's not even funny.
It's expensive to build a pc now days?
It's about the cheapest it's ever been with the performance you're getting. |
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pnjunctionTeksavvy Extreme Premium Member join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON |
said by Ghastlyone:It's about the cheapest it's ever been with the performance you're getting. ...b-but I need an expensive i7 because the pentium G isn't amazing for a gaming rig, and AMD gave me bad service on my Radeon so I can't buy from them. |
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