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Re: [ALPHA] Vivaldi browser Technical Preview

Vivaldi Blog - Thank you
by jon - 30 Jan
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Dear Friends,

I am sitting on the plane home after a very busy week in Norway. A very satisfying week.

I could not be prouder over what our team have achieved. I am also proud and grateful over the response we got from all of you.

It is clear that we are on the right path.

The features. The looks. The details.

But our job is not done. This is where the real job starts. Now we are no longer working in silence.

We have a large group of people, all of you supporting us and demanding things from us. I love it!

From now on we will start to do weekly builds.
We will have a relatively light process in order to show you progress we make every week.

This is a browser for all of us.
I am confident that together we will make this a great product.

Cheers!
Jon.
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First Snapshot Vivaldi 1.0.94.2
03 Feb by Team_Vivaldi
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Wow! It has been an interesting week. We have gotten so much feedback after our initial launch.

We have worked on fixing some of the worst issues in TP and want to invite you all for testing it

We are new to the game of offering public "snapshots" or "unstable" builds, so please bare with us while we hope to mature this process.

Our plan is to make a "snapshot" available once a week. These builds may contain regressions so it could be wise to back up your profile before upgrading. We also plan to replace the Technical Preview available on vivaldi.com with this build unless any severe regressions are found. So, please let us know if you find any critical issues.

You can report bugs through our bug tracking system here. »vivaldi.com/bugreport.html

Download: links in blog post.
Note: install overtop.

Fixes contained in this week's build.

Highlights:
• Fixed a bad performance issue that made Vivaldi slow down on some systems
• Added so CTRL+ENTER in urlfield prefills www and .com
• Added tab-history to back and forward button, available via longclick (will be tuned more)
• Added posibility to reopen closed windows
• Fixed so Settings window would not hijack the session
  • Fixed some horrible shortcut bugs appearing in forms/iframes

  • Fixed a issue on Linux where everything appeared black


  • Changelog:
    *VB-2808 Vivaldi shows up black on Linux
    *VB-2794 Delay autoexpand bookmark folders during drag n drop
    *VB-2792 Del keybinding not working on Mac
    *VB-2791 find in page does not search next on enter
    *VB-2788 Keyboard shortcuts always firing within iframe.
    *VB-2783 Coloring of the tab bar way too bright with green and yellow favicons
    *VB-2770 Tab color flickers in a dark color on selection
    *VB-2761 Broken media dialog and location dailog
    *Navigate back to startpage shows incorrect url.
    *VB-2759 Thumbnail for internal pages disappears after few seconds.
    *VB-2738 Flash video does not show
    *VB-2725 Regression: Leaving fullscreen mode with F11 fails
    *VB-2722 Bookmark modal window appears in the wrong postion
    *VB-2717 Keying up/down in bookmark tree is slow
    *VB-2632 ontentsettings crashes
    *VB-2597 xpand/Collapse all bookmarks menu item
    *VB-2500 Speed dial page issue in fullscreen mode
    *VB-2447 No task manager in Tools menu
    *VB-2307 Session lost because of settings window
    *VB-2288 Space should toggle expand/collapse state of folder
    *VB-2256 Avoid closing all tabs accidentally in tab stack
    *VB-2171 http not injected to urls in Notes
    *VB-2157 scrolling bookmarks panel shakes
    *VB-2130 Scrolling does not work with scrollbar in urldropdown
    *VB-2006 elete bug in notes
    *VB-2000 copy to note missing from context-menu when using norwegian language
    *VB-1980 Add ability to resize Notes input area
    *VB-1967 No screenshot generated in Notes when clicking the frame under 'New note'
    *VB-1923 Cannot select multiple items in bookmarks
    *VB-1906 Window with more than one tab is not saved to trash
    *VB-1849 Tab resizing by mouse difficult
    *VB-1539 Ctrl+Enter should implement (www. adress complete feature)
    *VB-1490 Search in settings only find titles
    *VB-761 Close button on tab shows up. Risk for inadvertent clicking.

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    Re: First Snapshot Vivaldi 1.0.94.2


    Davesnothere
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    Interesting.

    Thanks.

    Link ? (This version is not on their main site yet, and neither do I see a link there to their blog - where the link is supposed to be.)

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    said by Davesnothere:

    Link ? (This version is not on their main site yet, and neither do I see a link there to their blog - where the link is supposed to be.)


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    As in 'Face-Palm' !

    I see it now, in your previous post.

    It looks like the TITLE, but it is also the LINK.

    Must have been there all along.

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    They are certainly off to a good start: More than 400,000 downloads and it's still counting

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    Re: [ALPHA] Vivaldi browser Technical Preview

    To me, it resembles a lot of pent-up hopes and demand. The only question seems to be whether the high prospective user hopes and expectations will be rewarded as this all unfolds... or in some cases whether they even can be rewarded, given the chosen rendering engine architecture. But this seems to be a really clever and creative bunch of devs who are being open about what they're doing, so I certainly wouldn't bet against them.

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    This ought to be fun. I first used Opera in the mid '90s (v2?). I thought it had some interesting and useful features, but nothing worth actually paying for; browser choice wasn't a big deal at the time (for work or home). I have an older version of (real/original) Opera as my default browser in one of my accounts (because I don't want it to be IE, Chrome, or Firefox), but I don't actually use it. Even if it is WebKit (Blink?), I'll give it a shot.

    Well, we know he likes opera... and Vivaldi.

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    said by Blackbird:

    To me, it resembles a lot of pent-up hopes and demand. The only question seems to be whether the high prospective user hopes and expectations will be rewarded as this all unfolds... or in some cases whether they even can be rewarded, given the chosen rendering engine architecture. But this seems to be a really clever and creative bunch of devs who are being open about what they're doing, so I certainly wouldn't bet against them.

     
    Well, Vivaldi has already demonstrated (by proving in their very first test version that it COULD be added) that Google had foolishly CHOSEN to abandon the traditional Menu Bar when they made the Chrome browser.

    Now all we need is to get the UI to be able to FULLY mimic the function and UI layout flexibility of the non-Australis Mozilla browsers (as I posted earlier in point-form detail upthread), and they'll have an even larger potential userbase than just the 'Former Order of Loyal Opera Users'.

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    Vivaldi Snapshot 1.0.98.2

    Download/Changelog:
    »vivaldi.net/en-US/blogs/ ··· 1-0-98-2

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    Thanks GF; getting it now.
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    Interview with Jon S. von Tetzchner: We will (re)create a browser you love.
    »medium.com/@burek/jon-s- ··· 766386c4

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    Re: [ALPHA] Vivaldi browser Technical Preview

    The latest update to Vivaldi is out today: 1.0.105.7, with a writeup at »vivaldi.net/blogs/teambl ··· it-linux
    It contains its first whack at a true bookmarks bar, with the ability to source the bookmarks on the bar from a custom bookmarks folder of the user's choice. Because the bar as yet shows both icons and names, I'm using both the bar and the side-panel to display each end of my rather long list of bookmarks. When/if they add the ability to show just names so I can show a ton of abbreviated marks on the bar without scrolling, I should be very near to what I had in old Opera from that standpoint.

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    You know, folders work in the bookmarks bar.

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    Bookmark Bar is present, but needs to be enabled in the View Menu.

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    said by sivran:

    You know, folders work in the bookmarks bar.

    Indeed, but the real advantage to Vivaldi's sourcing the bookmarks on the bar from within a user's custom bookmarks folder is that by simply changing the source folder, a user can bring up entirely different arrays of bookmarks stored in other folders. The topical flexibility of such an arrangement is truly awesome. I used to do something like it in Presto Opera by swapping out custom toolbar arrangements via the Prefs panel... a bit cumbersome to swap and a lot of work to initially set up, but I could then bring up one bookmarks bar that looked exactly like a different bar, but with each array of bookmarks referring to a separate geographic locale for things like various types of weather data that were all derived from different sub-pages of the same websites. Now, it's an almost instant change. The possibilities are endless... If the devs keep this up, this is going to be some powerful kind of tool!
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    said by Davesnothere:

     
    Bookmark Bar is present, but needs to be enabled in the View Menu.

    Also, you can move it to the top or bottom of the browser window via an option in Settings.

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    said by Blackbird:

    said by sivran:

    You know, folders work in the bookmarks bar.

    Indeed, but the real advantage to Vivaldi's sourcing the bookmarks on the bar from within a user's custom bookmarks folder is that by simply changing the source folder, a user can bring up entirely different arrays of bookmarks stored in other folders....

     
    I did not understand that at first from Sivran's post, but yes, that function opens up some serious flexibility.

    I first thought that it referred to something about adding a series of folders TO the Bookmarks Bar, and having the actual bookmarks within those folders, as I can do with IE and all of the Mozilla browsers.

    And it looks like THAT is possible too.

    But they need to walk before they run.

    The mouseability of the BM bar needs to be coded.

    So far, I cannot Right-click on a bookmark and get a context menu.

    Neither can I Middle-click on a bookmark to force a new tab for it (instead it opens in current tab, same as Left-click.

    Nor can I drag from the Favicon to create a bookmark on the Bookmarks Bar - In fact, there is no Bookmarks Menu nor Button either, for making a bookmark in general.

    Also, the Tab Context Menu needs to have the CTRL-Z function in it, to restore the most recently closed tab, as all other browsers do, IIRC.

    The other missing item in the TCM is an entry to create a bookmark.

    What I am saying n essence is that they need to concentrate upon giving users the CORE functionalities which we already HAVE in our other browsers, before spending too much time being innovative.

    Not all of their anticipated userbase will come from former Opera-heads.

    All of that said, I fully do appreciate how far they have come in this short time of 4 snapshots, and hope that things that I just mentioned (and other basic stuff) are high on their 'TO-DO' list.
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    said by Blackbird:

    said by Davesnothere:

     
    Bookmark Bar is present, but needs to be enabled in the View Menu.

    Also, you can move it to the top or bottom of the browser window via an option in Settings.

     
    That's interesting.

    Was it a function of Opera ?

    I sincerely hope that they add one more config tick, to let the Tab Bar be placed immediately above the web page, as was traditional with ALL tabbed browsers, before any other ideas had entered devs' minds in the past.

    Even better, just let us open a drag-and-drop Customize mode, like Moz browsers do.

    THAT method is more intuitive anyway.

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    said by Davesnothere:

    said by Blackbird:

    said by Davesnothere:

     
    Bookmark Bar is present, but needs to be enabled in the View Menu.

    Also, you can move it to the top or bottom of the browser window via an option in Settings.

     
    That's interesting. Was it a function of Opera ? ...

    Yes, on Presto Opera for a long time, I put my bookmarks at the bottom of the window... though over the years, I've forgotten the exact reason why I preferred that. What I do remember is that certain configurations/locations of bars, tabs, and panels are much more user-friendly than others, depending on how that given user approaches his web browsing. In other words, it can be a very personal preference that others might totally fail to understand and hence totally disagree with. Consequently, it's ideal if a browser allows bar, tab, and panel placement flexibility for the user to set things up in ways that make sense to him - since he's the one using the browser.

    Regarding the bar limitations you noted in your previous post, the devs have stated this is just a first cut at a bookmarks bar. I believe a lot of things are yet to come with it as further development unfolds. In fact, this all reminds me of watching a butterfly slowly emerging from his cocoon and just starting to unfold his wings... an observer (and perhaps even the butterfly) at any given moment may have no clear idea of what the end product will look like in detail.

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    Vivaldi Banners & Buttons



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    Vivaldi Banners & Buttons
    Copy the embed code next to the banner you want to use on your site, blog or forum, and just paste it in. Thanks for sharing!
    ...
    More @ »vivaldi.com/banners/
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    Vivaldi Snapshot 1.0.111.2


    DSLR
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    Snapshot 1.0.111.2 now with experimental 64-bit Windows build and more language support
    »vivaldi.net/blogs/teambl ··· -0-111-2

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    Re: [ALPHA] Vivaldi browser Technical Preview

    With this release, Vivaldi now has the ability to set the bookmarks on the bookmark bar to display nicknames only (no icons). This is one of the critical options I've been waiting for, and I now have 58 of them across the browser! Coupled with the ability to source the array of bookmarks displayed on a bar from different folders, it opens up a rich variety of bookmark toolbar powers. It's encouraging to see the rate of customization progress being made with each Vivaldi release. And with the 64-bit version appearing, to also see their proactive efforts to penetrate onto a wide variety of platforms.

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    Re: Vivaldi Snapshot 1.0.111.2

    Thanks, GF. Getting it now

    Changelog:
    • VB-3638 -wasd spatial navigation steals cursor from amazon.com
    • VB-3614 - Zooming in/out in fullscreen doesn't work correctly
    • VB-3610 -Zooming on a flicker image lags/slows the pc
    • VB-3590 -Add context menu to top level items in bookmark bar
    • VB-3585 -regression: Ctrl+Z reopen closed tab even if focus in textfield
    • VB-3565 - Issue Report: Middle-click on item in bookmarks bar
    • VB-3548 -In some cases focus could be lost in url field
    • VB-3543 -Add setting to hide/show favicons on bookmarks bar
    • VB-3531 -Focus reset in urlfield
    • VB-3527 -Bookmarkbar menu and settings option not in sync
    • VB-3524 -Bookmarksbar is stuck in fullscreen mode
    • VB-3503 -Drag and drop in bookmarks bar
    • VB-3433 -Ability to create new tab by middle mouse button
    • VB-3333 -[Confirmed] Tab bar visible in fullscreen mode
    • VB-2924 -No support for plural in i18n
    • VB-2366 -localhost (without http) server url not working in urlfield
    • VB-2018 - Rewind button not available
    • VB-3722 -Regression : Focus lost when background page finish loading
    • VB-3702 -Issue Report: "0" character appearing in settings panel
    • VB-3686 -Bookmarks bar hides address bar
    • VB-3663 -Opening folder-child bookmarks in bookmarks bar does not work
    • VB-3659 -Move default homepage over to use https
    • VB-3657 -Add class .is-mail to vivaldi://mail page
    • VB-3644 -Camera access dialog appears underneath bookmarks bar
    • VB-3642 -Opening links from bookmark bar folders does not work
    • VB-3605 -Place bookmark icons under a chevron icon for items that do not fit on bookmark bar
    • VB-3575 -Issue Report: The Trash Can icon overlaps the Minimize button when there are many tabs opened
    • VB-2778 -Add support for Belarusian (be), Galician (gl), Armenian (hy), Icelandic (is) and Macedonian (mk) locales.
    • VB-2772 -Bookmarks bar
    • VB-2658 -Change the bookmarks to vivaldi.com and vivaldi.net from HTTP to HTTPS
    • VB-2368 -Many settings window opens
    • VB-2273 -Webcontent context menu has an offset on Mac.
    • VB-2166 -Update thumbnail button does nothing
    • VB-2151 -Keyboard shortcut mixed up
    • VB-2030 -translations: Add context to disambiguate meaning
    • VB-1959 -View page info does nothing
    • VB-1911 -Bookmarks window missing thumbnail
  • VB-1883 -Page actions not injected into iframe

  • VB-1479 -Empty/Black thumbnails on startup

  • VB-639 -Spatial navigation is missing

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    Re: [ALPHA] Vivaldi browser Technical Preview

    said by Blackbird:

    With this release, Vivaldi now has the ability to set the bookmarks on the bookmark bar to display nicknames only (no icons). This is one of the critical options I've been waiting for....

     
    I don't think that even FireFox can do THAT.

    Then again, I didn't think of it until you said so, as I use the icons to recognize individual items on that bar, and an abbreviated text, and in the case of folders (I have a bunch too), I guess I could save some space to be rid of them, as they all look the same, and the text is how I judge folders.

    I was planning to nag them for a full window bookmark and history manager (like FF's Library), until I today stumbled into those when I examined what was in a new tab which I had opened. - Not sure for how many snapshots that they were already there. - Now, all I need to request for that is the addition of main menu entries somewhere to access those, and buttons.

    Also, it seems that they have added to the Tab Context Menu to allow us to Re-Open the Last Closed Tab (but it doesn't reveal itself until you have closed at least one tab beforehand - not even greyed out).

    And yes, the Bookmarks Bar is evolving.

    This week, you can drag from the address bar favicon to create a new entry there, but you can only drag to the main level, and not into any folders which you may already have created there (think of 'FILING' new bookmarks on-the-fly - I do it all the time in other browsers).

    Also, you cannot drag bookmark bar icons to anywhere else, except to change their order along the bar, and the icons inside any folders there need added a right-click menu yet, so that we can (for example) open one into a new tab.

    = = = = = = =

    The one major thing about which they need to be needled is to add is an extra config to let us put the Tab Bar just above the web page, below the other top bars (like all legacy tabbed browsers), or even better, a dragging to position method for each and every bar.

    Gotta make the legacy Mozilla users feel welcome, not just the legacy Opera peeps.

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    I don't think that even FireFox can do THAT.

    Not anymore anyway. There was a preference or two you could set via about:config (hide/show icons). They were removed somewhere around Fx3(?), due to relative lack of interest I presume (either from devs or users--who knows). However, that's what extensions have done since (though I don't know if they're "current" or only work with older releases). But, of course, CSS can still do it (or just about anything else).

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    said by Davesnothere:

    said by Blackbird:

    With this release, Vivaldi now has the ability to set the bookmarks on the bookmark bar to display nicknames only (no icons). This is one of the critical options I've been waiting for....

     
    I don't think that even FireFox can do THAT. Then again, I didn't think of it until you said so, as I use the icons to recognize individual items on that bar, and an abbreviated text, and in the case of folders (I have a bunch too), I guess I could save some space to be rid of them, as they all look the same, and the text is how I judge folders. ...

    Roomy Bookmarks Toolbar add-on provides the ability to suppress bookmarks icons in Firefox to leave just the nickname, and I've been using it that way ever since Presto Opera began going obsolete. For many of my bookmarks, icons are identical, and the only distinguishing element is the unique, abbreviated nickname I've applied. By keeping the names short and clustering them topically, I can pack a lot of unique bookmarks on the bar (76 on Presto Opera, 60 on Firefox, and 56 on Vivaldi).

    Once things stabilize a bit more with Vivaldi versions to justify the effort, I'm going to explore more deeply its new ability to swap out bookmarks bars via a right-click option for any bookmarks folder to show just the bookmarks therein. I used to swap bookmarks bars occasionally in old Opera, but it involved a number of clicks/steps to swap Opera's toolbar.ini files and a lot of effort to initially set up the alternate files for the bookmarks order I wanted. The beauty of the Vivaldi concept for technical users is that they can have entirely different bookmarks bars for different topical focii, each almost instantly available at the right-click of a mouse button, and each as easily customizable as setting up any bookmarks bar. The "tool' potential is huge...

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    Vivaldi browser feature requests poll

    Posted: February 25, 2015

    • Vivaldi browser feature requests poll
    »vivaldi.net/en-US/blogs/ ··· s-poll-1

    • Field summary for features
    What are the 3 most important features you are missing today in Vivaldi browser?
    »vivaldi.net/surveys/inde ··· guage/en

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    It certainly seems like Jon & Co. have been paying very close attention to the user comments and feedback that surrounded the Opera redesign. Vivaldi is emphasizing the very things Opera & Co. have consistently avoided, hidden, or dismissed ever since their first rumblings about their "only-under-the-hood" Opera redesign.