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trparky
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One more nail is in the coffin for Adobe Flash...

BetaNews.com: Flash is DEAD! YouTube goes all-in with HTML5
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YouTube introduced the HTML5 player back in early-2010. Fast forward to early-2015 and YouTube finally announces that HTML5 is the default player. Flash might as well be considered officially dead on YouTube.
Flash is dead! Long live HTML5!

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You can't put enough nails in the Adobe Flash coffin, bury it 12 feet deep (deep down it's really good) and encase it in concrete.

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Some things are just hard to kill

Grigori Rasputin assassination
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I dunno TR,i like flash (But it can bog down my browser -- AH MAN!!)

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Re: One more nail is in the coffin for Adobe Flash...

No coffin. Only nails.

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I've been running without Flash installed since early December. I didn't think I would make it this far without needing to install it, but here we are.

In the plus column, all those recent emergency security updates? I laughed.
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Hopefully Netflix goes HTML5 soon and we can ditch another media plugin. Silverlight.

The way I see it the less plugins we need the more secure we can be because there are less parts to the system to do bug hunting in. Even if the system gets a wee bit more complex its still one system and one vendor.

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YouTube. Heh. Small potatoes. What about all the p0rn sites? Flash is alive and well until those site switch.

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I must admit that I'm very happy to hear this!
Most if not ALL YouTube videos play in HTML5 by default in IE11. But in the latest version of SeaMonkey... it still uses Flash? I can't seem to FORCE HTML5 in SeaMonkey.
»www.youtube.com/html5?gl=CA

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said by Boooost :

YouTube. Heh. Small potatoes. What about all the p0rn sites? Flash is alive and well until those site switch.

Most porn sites already support HTML5 via mp4, most people won't even notice it.

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said by Dustyn:

I can't seem to FORCE HTML5 in SeaMonkey.

I was playing with Firefox 35.0.1 in Linux and I have to disable the Flash plug-in to get HTML5.

A quick eyeball of CPU on the same video says HTML5/Flash are roughly equivalent load, too. I was hoping for better.

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APPLE-SA-2015-01-27-5 OS X: Flash Player plug-in blocked
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Due to security issues in older versions, Apple has updated the web plug-in blocking mechanism to disable all versions prior to Flash Player 16.0.0.296 and 13.0.0.264.
»prod.lists.apple.com/arc ··· 004.html

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I'll have to try to disable the plug-in then.
However, I did set my YouTube preference via the above link I posted.
»www.youtube.com/html5?gl=CA
The above was enough to override the Flash player in IE11.
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I don't use SeaMonkey for video because of the long standing full screen bug.

SeaMonkey, Pale Moon, IE 10, Fx 35, etc are not supported for HTML5 at youtube. Only beta versions, nightlies of Fx and Chrome, Opera are supported currently. On Pale Moon if I go to the HTML5 youtube page I cannot even request HTML5 be used. I've use it in the past but it was so bad and could not support above 720p (even that was POOR compared to 720p in Flash), that I finally made Flash default at youtube and I am glad I did.

I read a bunch of comments from users saying even on "approved" browsers that HTML5 video at youtube is poor quality above 720p and that is now they are talking about. So, I don't think Flash is dead yet. I'm no Flash fan but it does still produce the best videos on the browsers I use.

I haven't seen any information on when youtube will support other browsers for HTML5 as default.

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YouTube flushes Flash for future flicks
»www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· _flicks/
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IE11 is one of the few browsers currently supported at youtube for HTML5 by default.

I tried disabling Flash in Pale Moon (this was before I did my research and didn't know that only a few browsers are supported currently for HTML5 default at youtube). I got a black screen and a quick flash of an error message saying I needed to enable Flash. I tried to make HTML5 default for Pale Moon on youtube's HTML5 webpage but could not.

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said by »betanews.com/2015/01/28/ ··· th-html5 :

I may be exaggerating about Flash being dead now, as, to default to the HTML5 player on YouTube, your browser has to be Google Chrome, Internet Explorer 11, Safari 8 or a beta version of Mozilla Firefox, according to YouTube's blog post.

For the record, I can confirm this. *Only* when I disable Flash in a stock Linux version of Firefox 35.0.1 (not a beta) can I get to HTML5.

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(Mozilla) Blocked Add-ons (blocklist.xml)
The following software is known to cause serious security, stability, or performance issues with (SeaMonkey).

January 28, 2015: Flash Player Plugin 15.0.0.243 to 16.0.0.287 (click-to-play)
January 28, 2015: Flash Player Plugin on Linux 11.2.202.425 to 11.2.202.439 (click-to-play)
January 28, 2015: Flash Player Plugin 13.0.0.259 to 13.0.0.263 (click-to-play)
...

IOW, Mozilla has also blocked (or set as click-to-play, it seems) older, vulnerable Flash plugins too.

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said by therube:

....IOW, Mozilla has also blocked (or set as click-to-play, it seems) older, vulnerable Flash plugins too.

 
Hmmm.... Saves us needing Flashblock or similar add-ons anymore ?

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I suppose if you edit blocklist.xml it could.

Click to play should've been default behavior period.

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Do we have a decent HTML5 blocker yet like FlashBlock?

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Saves us needing Flashblock or similar add-ons anymore ?
I don't see that at all.
It is a facility to block extensions & Plugins in the browser itself.
Nothing to do with content of a web page itself (other then in an ancillary way).
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287 is OLD. It was replaced with 295 last Saturday (except for IE on Windows 8 and 10 Preview). Mozilla blocked it because it is not the current version not because it had problems. I had it briefly on SeaMonkey with no problems and it wasn't blocked until it became OLD which was last Saturday.

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said by antdude:

Do we have a decent HTML5 blocker yet like FlashBlock?

I've been using Flash Control lately and it does both. Otherwise, it's very similar to FlashBlock.

Geeze, every time I test on YouTube I swear I get a different player. Yesterday, I was getting a very basic one and today it looks much like the Flash one.

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said by sivran:

....Click to play should've been default behavior period.

 
Is there any 'about:tweak' which we can do to make that happen ?

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said by Davesnothere:

said by sivran:

....Click to play should've been default behavior period.

 
Is there any 'about:tweak' which we can do to make that happen ?

Pretty Please, and ASAP. With sugar on it.

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said by Mashiki:

said by Boooost :

YouTube. Heh. Small potatoes. What about all the p0rn sites? Flash is alive and well until those site switch.

Most porn sites already support HTML5 via mp4, most people won't even notice it.

That explains why I had to use VLC Player to get them to play .
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said by Bill_MI:

I was playing with Firefox 35.0.1 in Linux and I have to disable the Flash plug-in to get HTML5.


For me (Xubuntu 14.04 w/ FF 35.0.1), YT defaults to Flash, but even that won't play anymore. Doesn't matter much, since I use Chromium to watch YT.

FF & Flash still work on sights like ESPN, though.

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said by carpetshark3:

said by Davesnothere:

said by sivran:

....Click to play should've been default behavior period.

 
Is there any 'about:tweak' which we can do to make that happen ?

Pretty Please, and ASAP. With sugar on it.

 
Then again, keeping your Flash player at least one edition stale (older than current) would force the issue (the browser to prompt us), wouldn't it ?

And with Flash's 'rabid' release cycle, that would be rather easy to accomplish, even WITHOUT trying.
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said by Davesnothere:

said by sivran:

....Click to play should've been default behavior period.

 
Is there any 'about:tweak' which we can do to make that happen ?

Proxomitron with Sidki filters does exactly that (among other things). Program is browser independent (runs as a proxy) and it puts a small button to click replacing the Flash. It's fast, simple and reliable way to achieve what you're asking for.