wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA 1 edit |
If I want an i5 build......What do you suggest as a parts list if I get the funds (waiting on something):
Need mainboard with up to date chipset capable of overclocking sometime down the road, prefer it have Intel NIC and maybe wireless integrated, have 4 RAM slots Need CPU on die graphics but the ability to install a mid grade video card some time in the future want CPU to be i5 or better, but don't know about how various i5s compare Need RAM, overclockable, 16 GB, something not failure prone with good warranty/reputation Need SSD of 250GB or larger, doesn't have to be a performance screamer, but needs to be dependable Do not need SMPS, have one that will work for now Need optical drive, considering blueray Need mid or larger tower case, want USB 3.0 front ports, sound ports, side/front/rear/top fannage with large fans, something reasonably quiet but not elaborate, that will support a gaming video card room wise and if possible, something that can be transported from time to time. Would like at least 2 5.25" bays and 6 or more HD bays, reasonably decent cable management, prefer side mount hard drive capability, must have easily visible HD and power up LEDs, reset and power switches, and if it has both USB 3 and 2 it would be great. don't care about color or appearance of case so long as it isn't beige or pink, side window is a bonus so long as it accomodates side fan
Budget for these parts 700-800 (if possible) not counting OS, HDs, discreet GPU, or any other add on cards.
Want decent warranties if possible. Prefer ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock, EVGA, other in that order, top to bottom, of preference. Want board to support moderate overclocking without risk of failure for some time in the future when I get a aftermarket HS/F.
Don't yet know if the funds will come, good chance of it, playing a waiting game (settlement).
Bonus things:
Intel Network controller Intel Wireless (can live without wireless, but it would be nice) lots of USB ports, the more the better an eSATA would be a bonus 6 sound ports (line in, mic, front, rear, side, woofer/center) with good sound quality but doesn't need to be elaborate. Prefer at least 6 drive ports but more would be better (already have 5 drives, want to add 1 or 2 more HDs and a boot SSD) Dust filters would be wonderful If it comes with fans, all the better Tooless install would be better
I realize I'm asking a lot, I wonder if it can be done?
Once again, Exclude discreet GPU (will use on board graphics for now), SMPS, HDs, wireless if needs be, Blueray not absolutely necessary.
Also, what is the difference between Devil's Canyon and Haswell, and would I get a significantly better deal going with Ivy? Thinking socket 1150.
System will be used for:
Storage of data Browsing and Streaming In the future: non extreme gaming Coding Office apps Light graphics editing Torrents Crunching/Folding |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 12:16 am
It's been a long day and I'm heading to bed but I wanted to comment on this some before attempting a parts list tomorrow.
For most of your listed usage, you don't need a dedicated GPU (the future gaming might depending on the game) but the outlier here is the crunching/folding. Some of those projects DO support GPU crunching. Do you know if your chosen project(s) do? If so you may want to look at doing that now instead of later.
For your bonus list, I have to say finding a motherboard with an actual Intel NIC has become an increasingly difficult task. Would you be OK with an addin card in the event you REALLY want an Intel NIC? Is the wireless mainly for the portability aspect you want (not knowing what kind of connection you may have)? To be honest, I'm not 100% positive I've seen a desktop version of Intel wireless but it's worth a look.
As for Devil's Canyon vs Haswell, Devil's Canyon is basically the Haswell refresh. It's still Haswell basically. I would honestly get the newest you can right now. Unless you get a smoking deal on previous generation tech, why start out behind the curve basically? The one concern here would be whether or not it needs DDR4 and if you can manage to snag that cheaper than DDR3.
Regarding the case, what you want is not likely to be a cheap case. The Corsair 400r that I have matches most of what you want (primarily it doesn't have dust filters) and costs about $90. That's a decent chunk of your 700-800 budget. It might be difficult to squeeze everything together on this but it's worth a try. Is that Corsair 400r basically what you are looking for or not quite? |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA |
That case is a candidate, yes. but doesn't have USB 2.0 along with 3.0, and has no extra bay for SSD, yet it is doable. |
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JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 9:06 am
It doesn't have any "extra" bays no, but the trays for 3.5" drives can mount 2.5" drives via screws. And yeah, USB 3.0 only on the front, no 2.0 (something I wish it had more of as well). |
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Here is my crack at it. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.98 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.74 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($127.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Intel 530 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($110.98 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ NCIX US) Total: $727.66 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-04 09:34 EST-0500The Z87 mobo is not the latest, but according to Asus' website, it is supposed to work with the 4670K out of the box without a BIOS update. The advantage with the mobo I chose is that it has wifi and comes at a good discount now that Z97 boards are mainstream. The Fractal R4 case sounds like it might be perfect for you. Side window, two USB 2.0 ports on top at the front, and another two USB 3.0 ports, fan filters, two fans, gobs of drive bays inside... |
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How about a Fractal Design R4 Black Pearl? I got one from the egg a while back for $69.99 shipped. It seems to have what you want.
It is the heaviest case I have had. The ups guy thought that it was a complete computer. It has a bunch of sound deadening and looks to be pretty versatile. |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
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I just noticed something: said by wutsinterweb3:Budget for these parts 700-800 (if possible) not counting OS, HDs, discreet GPU, or any other add on cards. Basically the 700-800 is just for the cpu, motherboard, ram, case and optical drive? What is your budget for the hdd/ssd and any of your optional/extra items like the Intel nic(s) and such? Working on a potential now. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA |
Gonna use existing drives for now. |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 12:41 pm
Including the SSD? It's on your "need" list. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA |
I realize that maybe I should exclude the SSD and get that later. |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 12:52 pm
Based on a build MacGyver posted, it should be easily doable to include the SSD now if you prefer. Let me keep on with my build and see what I come up with. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA |
Ah ok thank you so much! |
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JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 1:54 pm
OK I did slightly exceed your budget but I also brought a bit more to the table that I think will make it worthwhile. I did also force all the pricing to either Newegg or Amazon, resetting back to lowest vendor brings the total down to just under $850. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($104.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.74 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2666 Memory ($186.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($117.99 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg) Total: $883.67 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-04 13:37 EST-0500Here's my rationale for the parts: CPU - Slightly faster AND cheaper than the 4670K previously mentioned so why not? Motherboard - Same reason as MacGyver , it has WiFi, Intel NIC and was $100 cheaper than the next step up. It doesn't have AC WiFi but for the $100 difference you could add AC if you really need it. It supports up to N in both 2.4 and 5 GHz flavors. If you didn't have the WiFi desire I would probably opt for a Z97 board (can possibly still do this with adding a WiFi card separately). RAM - I opted for higher performance RAM (you did mention overclocking) and it will help with the onboard GPU as well. And that's honestly not that bad of a price. SSD - Samsung or Intel are my preference here, especially when you want reliability. Both of these have a 5 year warranty though Samsung's new 850 Pro has a 10 year warranty (for an additional $50 or so). I personally like Samsung because they manufacture all of the components themselves, they don't outsource or license anything (no finger pointing if something doesn't work right). Case - I opted for the one without the window because you mentioned wanting it to still support a side fan if it included a window and their window variant doesn't. If you go with the water cooler mentioned below, you could probably use the extra air flow from the side fan (which I did not add but shouldn't be too much). Blueray - This is the best of the bunch from what I saw. It has the largest buffer, highest speeds of the ones I saw and was the only one that I looked at that supported DVD-RAM, and BD-R discs (I suspect others would read BD-R but they had a "-" for that line item). CPU Cooler - This is the one thing I included that wasn't on your "need" list (and if excluded would put you into your budget window). I think it should be added now because of the crunching/folding you mentioned. Water cooling will of course help with the future overclocking (with this and the overclockable RAM you could start doing overclocks now if you want) but will also help with the constant 100% load. |
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said by JoelC707:CPU - Slightly faster AND cheaper than the 4670K previously mentioned so why not? Because the board may need a BIOS update to support it. That can be a problem if you don't have a spare 1150 CPU lying around to put in temporarily just to apply the BIOS update. |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
JoelC707
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2015-Feb-4 7:11 pm
They're both haswell refresh aren't they? If so then why would the 4670 be supported and the 4690 not be? Regardless, the price difference wasn't much so if the 4690 really does need a BIOS update then it'd be better to get the 4670 (and if overclocking it may not matter about the default clock speed). |
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That's what Asus' site said about it. » support.asus.com/cpusupp ··· =Z87-PRO |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA 1 edit |
So is this one of those boards that doesn't require a processor in order to update BIOS?
You guys are the greatest, now I've got to pray this money comes. Thanks for all the hard effort, you're kind folks.
EDIT: Seems Newegg claims processor isn't needed to upgrade BIOS, cool. |
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Ok, I still don't know if I'm getting the settlement, but my tax refund will be good, after giving a bunch to the wife I think I can budget that motherboard, but maybe instead the revision of it, without wifi, and the RAM or RAM close to that choice, and I'll settle for the cheapest i3 that is compatible, then, next year, get an i7 and as large an SSD as I can afford at that time, and a high capacity HD, and maybe a good case. For now, I'll build with those 3 parts and a cheap DVD burner that is SATA, and after the build, sell my AMD Deneb based system locally on craigs or want ads, the case is pretty nice, it's a huge coolermaster case. I figure I might get 200 maybe even 250 for the existing system with 1 drive. The Deneb is still a pretty decent processor, it has a nice cooler, I'll only need to get a cheap case for myself and a cheap SMPS (my SMPS is good enough for a couple more years I think). I can sell the system as a entry level gamer for some parent's kid. I forget the video card, but it's a gaming card. So in a couple months I'd get a SMPS for the for sale system and a case for myself. I'll get a bargain case for now. I'll only have 4 or 5 hundred because mama and baby needs a new pair of shoes, IYKWIM. I realize that in some ways it will be a lateral upgrade, but much more RAM and a mainboard that has top notch quality and upgradeability. This is the board renew: » www.newegg.com/Product/P ··· 566&SID=I will have to settle for incremental building, but I'm fine with that, it's how I've always done it. |
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This was my build and it has done quite well. The Asrock motherboard works quite well, but I'd admit I was looking at what I could get for lower dollars and it does that well while still using parts like an Intel NIC, eSATA, HDMI in and out etc. However, if you could afford eVga, MSI or Asus then you could look at that over clock more seriously. Motherboards are starting to look at bios updates a lot easier than in the past and in your research you may find as I did they are getting away from cpu specifics for bios updates such as mentioned already - some do not need the cpu at all...... Onboard sound chipsets are starting to be shielded, whether it is effective enough or not I can't say. Otherwise everything you have asked for is easily achievable. |
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It's coated with bitumen (tar) inside. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA 1 edit |
I don't know if I'd like that. I just read it's flammable, and it's a toxic substance. Sure, I like the idea of deadening material, but I want to get away from having a really heavy computer case because I have to carry it around sometimes. And yet, I like what I see about the case. |
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Guys: What Z97 boards use Intel NICs, how do I search for them? Just want to be thorough. |
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JoelC707 Premium Member join:2002-07-09 Lanett, AL |
JoelC707
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2015-Feb-8 8:41 pm
There's no easy way honestly. PCPartPicker doesn't seem to offer a NIC specification when searching. From what I've seen though, all ASUS boards seem to have Intel NICs. I generally check the specs on Newegg's site to be sure. Even Newegg's power search doesn't let you search by NIC vendor, you just have to browse around. Try this link, it should list all the ASUS Z97 boards and all of them that I clicked on (3 or 4) had Intel NICs. » pcpartpicker.com/parts/m ··· &sort=a8 |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA 2 edits |
Thank you, Joel. That RAM is no longer available, but I got to thinking, what speed DO I need? As far as overclocking, are there minimal or diminishing returns past a given speed? Is there a speed that the 1150 processors like? What voltage should I look for? Next year when I get the i7 I do plan on overclocking, but nothing elite, nothing too technical or harrowing to achieve. Would 2400 or 2133 be adequate, it IS cheaper... Like this stuff: » www.newegg.com/Product/P ··· 20231589Do most of you still favor GSkill RAM? I think I recall that a lot of people have faith in their RAM products. |
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linicxCaveat Emptor Premium Member join:2002-12-03 United State |
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2015-Feb-8 10:14 pm
The only thing I want to say on the subject is I bought an i7 in 2011 because I was told the i5 was no longer being supported. I have not been disappointed with it. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA |
Cool! |
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Guys: A BIOS question: My SMPS I will use is NOT approved for Haswell, will there be a setting in BIOS to turn off C7 state? |
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The ASRock board I used in my kids' Haswell build this summer had a setting in BIOS to select the CPU power saving mode, C3, C6, C7, or auto. I don't see why any other board wouldn't have similar functionality.
I left it in auto even though the PSU is older and doesn't support C7, auto has worked just fine. |
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wutsinterweb3End Citizen's United Premium Member join:2014-08-26 USA 2 edits |
Ok, based on suggestions and information here and the memory thread and my readings so far, I came up with this list. I definitely like the mainboard that was suggested. For now, my budget should allow me to get optical drive, mainboard, CPU, and RAM, the rest will have to wait for the settlement or next year, so obviously things might change. (I've revised the list and figured out how to put it here in bbcode.) There was a CM scout case I liked, but newegg says it isn't available, the enermax has usb 3 AND 2 and everything is on top. No side vent/fan mount, but good roof fannage for coolers. I'm only gonna have 500-600 to work with to start, hence the decision to get the four parts that are must have (I don't have a SATA optical drive). I'm nixing the idea of aiming at an i7 maybe, but opting for a K processor. Maybe this will work: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.95 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 Ver.2 44.2 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($40.98 @ SuperBiiz) Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Tri-Linear 25g Thermal Paste ($5.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z97-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($125.89 @ OutletPC) Storage: Mushkin Chronos 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($182.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($160.99 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BR ATX Mid Tower Case ($82.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: LG GH24NS72 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ OutletPC) Total: $1128.70 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-11 14:48 EST-0500 |
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I am expecting my refund this week, before I drop the hammer on the processor, motherboard, RAM, and optical drive from this list, any caveats or warnings? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.95 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 Ver.2 44.2 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($45.99 @ Amazon) Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Tri-Linear 25g Thermal Paste ($5.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z97-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($179.98 @ OutletPC) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($130.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Mushkin Chronos 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.95 @ Directron) Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($162.99 @ Amazon) Case: Enermax ECA3280A-BR ATX Mid Tower Case ($82.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: LG GH24NS72 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ OutletPC) Wireless Network Adapter: Intel 7260HMWDTX1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi AdapterTotal: $1157.77 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-14 19:51 EST-0500How are those two non newegg dealers? My budget is quite tight on this, but if anyone suggests a different similarly priced mainboard, please share. Thank you folks. Edit: I notice that PC Partspicker doesn't faithfully/completely factor in shipping price on items. Seems that choosing newegg for some things is still better, hope I have enough for the 4 parts (CPU, RAM, OD, Mainboard). This can't happen quick enough, I'm hitting a brick wall memory wize with my 4 GB of RAM. |
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