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dutox101
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[Serious] Revenue Canada has new powers to pass suspect criminal info to police

This will have interesting implications...

»www.cbc.ca/news/politics ··· .2949693

EUS
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Pretty funny considering that not too long ago (~20yrs or so) the CRA begged people to include all revenues on their taxes, no matter the legality, and promised not to snitch to the authorities, because tax info is (was) supposed to be sacrosanct.

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said by EUS:

Pretty funny considering that not too long ago (~20yrs or so) the CRA begged people to include all revenues on their taxes, no matter the legality, and promised not to snitch to the authorities, because tax info is (was) supposed to be sacrosanct.

I remember this as well, I guess the uneasy peace between RevCan and tax payers employed in grey markets is over.

EQ

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Why is this an issue?

Why was is not considered an issue when they were prevented by law from reporting suspected criminal activity?

Why would should someone who earns legally and keeps proper records have an issue with this?

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Now the sex trade workers who pay taxes can be charged.
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WTF? CRA now has judges to determine what is criminal activity. There's was this case a few years back »can.taxes.narkive.com/8f ··· cra-sotw

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said by Lothario:

Now the sex trade workers who pay taxes can be charged.

That's more or less what I was thinking with the "uneasy peace" comment.

I'm uncomfortable with this, unless it's the same thing with do at the FI level which is suspicious transaction reporting.

I'm assuming most sex workers, and other fringe businesses probably pay their taxes through numbered companies and will fly under the radar in most cases.

EQ
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said by El Quintron:

I'm assuming most sex workers, and other fringe businesses probably pay their taxes through numbered companies and will fly under the radar in most cases.

Something like this, perhaps?

Invoice #: BJ-22456
Date: 20150208 22:56:46

To: El Quintron

For Personal Services Rendered
Fee: $100.00
Tax: $13.00
--------------
Total: $113.00

Paid via: 123456 Ontario Ltd. Frequent BJ card

*** Thanks for letting me do you. ***


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good time to get in the "laundry" business.

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Unreported crimes, justification for all those prisons.

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said by MaynardKrebs:

Paid via: 123456 Ontario Ltd. Frequent BJ card

*** Thanks for letting me do you. ***

:D

This killed me, but that's pretty much what it would look like I'm sure.

EQ
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Technically speaking you could make a killing if you washed towels.
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said by El Quintron:

said by Lothario:

Now the sex trade workers who pay taxes can be charged.

That's more or less what I was thinking with the "uneasy peace" comment.

I'm uncomfortable with this, unless it's the same thing with do at the FI level which is suspicious transaction reporting.

I'm assuming most sex workers, and other fringe businesses probably pay their taxes through numbered companies and will fly under the radar in most cases.

EQ

Judging from the number of prostitutes and drug deals we have in our social housing in Ottawa i would bet that must of them do not pay taxes at all.

Now most of the residents of our social housing are down on their luck and have issues that prevent them from earning significant income, but I've been in a significant number of units where they have new cars, flat screen tvs and cash lying all over the place. I even had one woman about a month ago discussing on the phone in the next room of her 1 bedroom community housing unit her "clients" frin the previous evening. All the details.

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Not that this affects me of course, but this is still pretty crazy imho...

There was a reason that previously the CRA wasn't allowed to do exactly this. A basic tenant of our legal system is that you cannot be forced to incriminate yourself (for example, you can choose to not take the stand).

Now however, you are legally obligated to file your taxes every year and accurately report ALL income, even if it is legal, then the CRA (by way of some secret panel of their own) can report your activities to the police based on your voluntary submissions (if THEY think it is illegal, because it very well might not be)....Pretty neat.

Somebody should really challenge this and it would never hold up in court

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said by btech805:


Judging from the number of prostitutes and drug deals we have in our social housing in Ottawa i would bet that must of them do not pay taxes at all.

What I'm assuming is going on here is that these people file tax returns based on Welfare/ODSB and pocket the cash from their illegal activities, I would assume, cars, computers, cellphones et al., are purchased in cash from grey market sources as well.

When I cited the example in post above, I was referring to higher end escorts and non-street drug dealers.
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said by mk_416 :

Why is this an issue?

Why was is not considered an issue when they were prevented by law from reporting suspected criminal activity?

Why would should someone who earns legally and keeps proper records have an issue with this?

Two reasons for me:

1) There seems to be some people who are paying taxes on "grey market" activities. If the CRA passes these person info to the Police, then these people will stop reporting that income, and that's less tax money being collected.

2) I'm never a big fan of Police having having the power to collect personal info without a warrant. If the police have evidence you might up to something criminal, they should be able to get a warrant from a judge and obtain the evidence legally.

Speaking of which. Would this stand up to a charter challenge? Handing over personal info without a warrant? Recently the Supreme Court ruled against ISPs sharing customer info without a warrant, I can't imagine this would hold up much better.
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said by zod5000:

Speaking of which. Would this stand up to a charter challenge? Handing over personal info without a warrant? Recently the Supreme Court ruled against ISPs sharing customer info without a warrant, I can't imagine this would hold up much better.

They're from the government and are here to help.
Who would refuse a little help?
If you refuse the help then you're with the terrorists.
Think of the children.
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said by MaynardKrebs:

They're from the government and are here to help.
Who would refuse a little help?
If you refuse the help then you're with the terrorists.
Think of the children.

You left out if you've got nothing to hide.
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Hypothetically,
Say I find $100k in small unmarked bills in a dumpster/side of the road/in an antique I buy at a barn sale, etc....
I turn it into the police. Cops investigate
Nobody claims the money within a year.
By law, I'm entitled to the money.
The police give me the money.
I then don't report the windfall to CRA (it's like a lottery win - pure chance).
CRA then audits me and reports me to the police for a suspected crime of money laundering because the money didn't come from a registered lottery or identifiable donor. Must be 'dirty money', right?
Now I need to have lawyers to fight CRA and criminal lawyers to fight the money laundering charges, the court battle, the conviction, appeals, etc...

When government is involved talking from one department to another it's like a game of 'broken telephone'.

It's like that poor vet who needs to provide Veterans Affairs with a letter each year that his amputated legs didn't naturally regenerate in the previous 365 days.

Rinse. Repeat.