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Bill_MI
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CTR's Status Bar

What am I missing? I've moved this thing around trying to figure out what it does. What "Status" is it displaying?

I've been looking at reducing extensions and trying to eliminate "Status-4-Evar" and realizing how much it is duplicated. I think I'll forfeit a progress bar but it's never been real accurate anyway.

If I had my way, mouse-over info like links and "waiting for" messages wouldn't encroach into the page area. I thought this was "Status" but unaffected with "Status Bar" location.

Hope this makes sense. TIA

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Not really sure about all you're saying, but I thought CTR's status bar was just there for other extensions that absolutely require that a statusbar be there for their icons/buttons/text (because they never updated their extensions to use the addons bar or some other toolbar). I used to use Firesizer; it can use only the statusbar--period.

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I'm all for reducing extension count/bloat.

For example, CTR recently included a 'Throbber' (to replace the one which Moz stripped out for Australis, along with other elements), so I was able to get rid of a smaller add-on which had been dedicated to that purpose.

In my FF 24.8.1 esr and previous, there always was an info popup in the lower left for status , which I never had to adjust, liking it as presented.

In PaleMoon, there is more flexibility built-in, and I had to tweak THAT in order to make PM's status successfully emulate that of pre-Australis FF.

I will need to revisit the newer FF to check what status it has, and to investigate what CTR can do there for status.

BTW, I have never used the 'Status-4-Evar' add-on.
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OK, I just checked FF34.0.5 with latest CTR installed.

The status there seems to be done in the same manner as in my FF24.8.1 esr (Pre-Australis), with a popup.

That suits me fine, and the fact that I even HAD to check, is both a testament to its not changing, and a mystery as to why Moz didn't change it, just to fuck us all up like everything else which they changed with the intro of the Australis UI.

Then again, I do have CTR installed (though not tweaked for the Status), so maybe Moz DID make a change and Aris's defaults undid it, like many of CTR's defaults do for other things.

BTW, what does 'Status-4-Evar' offer which I might like/need ?
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There's a throbber on the tab now, where the favicon usually hangs out when the throbber isn't... throbbing.

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Yes, but I was addressing the movable one for the toolbar.

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said by anonomeX :

Not really sure about all you're saying, but I thought CTR's status bar was just there for other extensions that absolutely require that a statusbar be there...

This may explain everything, thank you very much. No wonder nothing happens.
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said by Davesnothere:

BTW, what does 'Status-4-Evar' offer which I might like/need ?

Sometime before Australis, infinite wisdom took the bottom status bar away. I discovered and installed Status-4-Evar so quickly I doubt I have a good grasp on what it did. I vaguely recall the Add-on-Bar was established at the same time but was lame.

I'll give it a go... but I could be confused (as usual)...

Status-4-Evar adds it's own status bar without that newer pop-up status - it's buried in the bar like it used to be. It also adds a progress bar, it's own download icon and probably other things I forgot and never used.

When CTR came out, Status-4-Evar had a few minor glitches that are all worked out, now, but it is a bit ugly to coordinate knowing what bar or object came from which extension... when both are sort of doing the same basic thing.

Oh yeah... Status-4-Evar had 1 or 2 objects similar to that "Status Bar" object I asked about and their activity would move with the object.

Anyway... I need a *&^%$ spreadsheet or database to keep track of all this crapola so I think Status-4-Evar is gone for good.
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Just an overview to bore everyone. Back before Mozilla got silly, "Status" used to come up in the status bar - a fixed area at the bottom of the Firefox window. Built into this Status Bar was a progress bar/meter and some kind of download status area. I planted NoScript icons in this Status Bar for as long as I can remember.

Then one day, someone's infinite wisdom took it away.

Today, what really looks stupid, to me, is how "Status" info pops up into the page area. What a waste when it could come up in the lower bar (where it always did) and stay out of the "active" page area!!!

I'm only now re-experiencing this ugly pop-up thing since I haven't seen it in a long time.

In case anyone wonders what "Status" is in my context it's the mouse-over link display and status messages such as "looking up site.com..." and "waiting for site.com..." "Transferring..." etc. The stuff that encroaches the page these days.

Anyway, Status-4-Evar gallantly restored this function from the glory days but it probably isn't worth the confusion with CTR. Thank you, Status-4-Ever, for being there. But I submit... I SUBMIT... to silliness, I guess.

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I use Status-4-Evar for the status bar to and don't use CTR for that. I do use CTR for a lot though. Think I tried CTR's version but it didn't do something. I may check it out again.

Davesnothere
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said by Bill_MI:

....Today, what really looks stupid, to me, is how "Status" info pops up into the page area.

What a waste, when it could come up in the lower bar (where it always did) and stay out of the "active" page area!!!....

 
Yabut not having the permanent bar allows more vertical area for web content, except when status info pops up.

FireFox had already made it that way by the time I returned to it during 2013 September, after some years of using IE8, so I had forgotten how it was in the earlier days of FF, which I had dropped shortly after the end of their version 3.6.x support, due to dislike of the multiple changes of the UI in version 4.
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said by Bill_MI:

how "Status" info pops up into the page area [is] a waste

So, having the statuspanel popout occasionally as needed and temporarily over a small portion of a page is more of a waste than having a full toolbar (which is often mostly empty) permanently take up that same space and more all across the bottom of the window?

If a small number of devs hadn't been either too busy or too disinterested to convert their add-ons to use the add-ons bar instead of the statusbar, then no one at all would have even noticed that the "statusbar" was gone (from view anyway--the support for it is actually still in the base code).

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I don't care about other's preferences. I want that Status Bar at the bottom where the status appears. That pop-up just annoys me. So, I re-enabled Status-4-Evar.

Every other Windows program has one.

That's the great thing about Firefox, you can make it look and do just about anything you want.

If I didn't have that bar, then I'd have to put all the icons on the add-ons bar anyway, using up the same amount space.

Just a personal preference, like have a blue icon for something instead of green.

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(1) Ctrl+/ toggles the addons bar (for those who still have one). I was glad to toggle it off most of the time (and be able to toggle it back on when I needed to).

(2) I can put a toolbar just about anywhere. I used to use Vertical Toolbar and have most of my buttons on the left side. Other extensions now do the same thing, as well as add a variety of other toolbars (including restoring the addons bar); though, actually, I don't need any extra toolbars now.

I agree--that's one of the great things about Firefox. If Mozilla doesn't provide what you want (anymore), then some dev probably will.
anonomeX

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Here's a little "love" for Firefox:

@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);
#home-button:hover image.toolbarbutton-icon {opacity:0!important;}
#home-button:hover
  {background-image:
url("data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABgAAAAYCAYAAADgdz34AAABrElEQVR4nLWUu0ucQRTFf/MFPAkkvpBsypAiECy00SKQKoWFnYWFKYxNSgubpEkXsBLBR2FlaeE/kco2aYJCsgqrRoVAmnXZYR83xc6Gb79d9+F+e2Ca4dxz7lzuHBgwXPLCJIDHQAYoA9eAd943FQfuo8B1wA1QiHOjRMEz4AC4An4CZ8AlsGXSaIKbAfYD9x TIAr+BPZPGWnUzbdIfk+yOc27Sy8Cd6cDNmfTi/4hMmgB+AE/bjJPwmnngKzDankoWmHoQ5rgFvOlQADAMLANPuuCOAyVn0ji1GY50UdQrLiLgVehsEMjUt6hpXdNCBOSA5 iVPB/mI2mb8GpDB98h5XwV2BmSwWf8HD4Fj4HmK4t+A2QjAeV8E3gGllMQLwJLzvhzPoiNgDbA+xSvAe+AEYmEXEnAXWO/DpEqtycN6ojakqfPegM/Axj1MqsAnYLtVtDfApMikLyZV2yRm/JRNWjWp+w9rkjPpo0mVDuIlk1ZCaPaGYPIhiLQSL5q0cC/xmAkmLZrkE+J5k972JZ4wmTPpNoj/NWk2FfGEyWuTsiZNpqfcbDLUS80/rAjcOgzb8HEAAAAASUVORK5CYII=")
  !important; background-repeat: no-repeat!important; background-position: center !important;
  }
 
(Home is where the heart is.)

A little CSS for Stylish or userChrome. ;) It worked in every release since Fx4 (that I happened to test--4, 22, 29, 35), so it should work (unless you do something with the Home button already).

Darn! I should have posted this for Valentine's Day!

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Not easy to get here. :D
said by Davesnothere:

Yabut not having the permanent bar allows more vertical area for web content, except when status info pops up.

Point taken but it assumes no status bar to begin with, of course.

Here's a shot what I use now. There's a LOT going on with this particular screen shot.

1) My first and absolute priority is wide as I can get URL bar. I'd love to get rid of the back-forward arrows but no easy way I know of (anyone?).
2) I just noticed horizontal scroll encroaches the DSLR left menus - only when a fixed-width post is present and scrolled off the top banner area. Never noticed this before!
3) The bottom is Add-on Bar, now. It was Status-4-Evar's Status bar before. Bookmarks Toolbar is gone at the top and Bookmarks is placed next to the menus.
4) I'm mouse-hovered over the left "SEARCH" link so the pop-up status is there. Status-4-Evar could change that.

anonomeX HEY! Thanks for the Ctrl+/ tip. Love it! I should revisit the Firefox shortcuts page since it's been years.

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With a widescreen, the nav-bar is about all the toolbar I need now:



To be honest, I probably wouldn't mind being able to put that statusbar shim on the nav-bar, but it's not something I really need all that much. One of the extensions I use that requires the statusbar for its icon doesn't actually require the icon to use the extension. The other one I might use does require it, but I don't require the extension; it's just not that useful nowadays.

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said by Bill_MI:

....Here's a shot what I use now. There's a LOT going on with this particular screen shot....

 
Ah yes, folks, it's time again for 'Dueling Screen Grabs' !

Mine is in my next post.

BTW, where is your OS Task Bar ?
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Here it is : ^^^^

Stuff which you may notice :

My Windows Taskbar is on the Left-hand side (and has been there since the last century).

My DSLR buttons (and menues) are on the LHS too.

Title bar is hidden - I know where I am, FGS !

Nav elements have all been merged into my Menu bar.

Most extension-related buttons have been moved there too.

I have a 1280x1024 (5x4) legacy LCD screen, not a wide (less tall) one (and it looks like you may too).

My screen res is set to 1280x1024.

Your entire post fit in my screengrab.

BTW, it's FF 24.8.1 ESR, so no CTR.

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You should see it set for 20 desktops!
said by Davesnothere:

BTW, where is your OS Task Bar ?

I have two, one top and one bottom. Their sizes are carefully picked for 1920x1200 so a maximized virtual machine gets exactly a standard 1920x1080.

I have and use 4 desktops in the compiz "cube" effect. That's full-screen TWiT stream on #2. In #1 I'm looking at your screen looking at my post.

That status display is known as 'conky' and constantly displays system and network info.
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said by Bill_MI :
My first and absolute priority is wide as I can get URL bar. I'd love to get rid of the back-forward arrows but no easy way I know of (anyone?).
Go into Classic Theme Restorer's General UI tab and check Movable back-forward buttons. Then go into Firefox, Customize and just drag the forward and back buttons off the toolbar.

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Nice, thanks!

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I've been doing that too, but for a different layout reason than yours (to match the same layout as in my above screenshot) in my newer version FF tests on the other PC.

Sorry, I missed mentioning it.

There's a lot of stuff that CTR can do, and not all of it got a fanfare intro.

Best poke around in the CTR options and see what's there.

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Yeah, it's downright embarrassing when it's hidden in plain sight. New rule: All big settings UIs have search.

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At least Aris has been breaking the settings into more pages (as he includes more functionalities which Moz abandoned, into CTR), to avoid having us missing them as much by forgetting to scroll each page.

He's also been putting some icons in the CTR settings pages, to better identify certain items.

MY 'excuse' for not being on top of all of this is that Australis browsers are not my main choice so far - I am still evaluating them, along with the current PaleMoon, SeaMonkey, Cyberfox, and the very new Vivaldi offering, while using FF 24.8.1 ESR still as my primary on this PC, and newest PaleMoon on the other.
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While playing around with some new (and old) stuff, I encountered this weird/unexpected "synergy". If you don't look too closely at it, you may not notice that you're looking at two distinct images--one of the lightweight theme (Persona) and the other loaded into the tab:


with mouse cursor hovering toolbox

...but it's easier to see the difference when the mouse cursor isn't hovering the toolbox:


normal view

This isn't a layout I would typically use (too much chrome), but it is fun to play around with new stuff. This layout, however, also has the add-ons bar & status bar (placed in the middle--where it's more convenient/visible) at the bottom of the window (using Puzzle Toolbars), so it's easy to hide when not needed.
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It's for extensions like the absolutely essential NoSquint (since Fx makes text gigantic on most websites even when set to 10pt font). So, I use NoSquint to REDUCE font size at most websites and NoSquint requires the Status Bar (actually CTR calls it Addon Bar) or it can't function. The author readily admits this is a workaround to get NoSquint to work on Australis versions.

I don't use CTR's Addon Bar. I use my tried and true Extended Status Bar instead. It is the same as the Opera builtin Status Bar through Opera 12.17 (before they sold out). NoSquint resists being put on it but it will go there after several tries in Customize.

The essential TextArea Cache is another one that needs to sit there (although it possibly could sit at the end of the address bar). However, I hate having all extensions sit at the end of the address bar as there is not nearly enough room!

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I've been playing around with the Puzzle Toolbars extension some more, and I kinda like the Location Bar toolbar. You hover the puzzle piece and the toolbar slides out. I just have the Restart extension button there--quick and easy to access. Close but out of sight.

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said by anonomeX :

I've been playing around with the Puzzle Toolbars extension some more, and I kinda like the Location Bar toolbar [portion]. You hover the puzzle piece and the toolbar slides out. I just have the Restart extension button there--quick and easy to access. Close but out of sight.

 
I might try that - Thanks.

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Back using Status-4-Evar

I just can't stand that pop-up animation. Thought I'd get used to it. Nope. But in the process I learned what parts come from Status-4-Evar vs. Classic Theme Restorer.