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Re: Photograph or Digital Art?

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So a perfectly composed and snapped photograph is not digital art? Is an HDR image digital art - is combining multiple images together heavy adjustments?

I am easily confused.

First question, I call it art, but not digital art.
Second question, yes HDR is digital art.
Third question, if done in a way that it looks realistic, I would call it art, but not digital art.

But it is digital. It's composed of a series of ones and zeros. So it's digital and it's art, hence digital art...

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Vivian Maier's photographs are considered art and they are NOT heavily edited or processed... The camera is the tool, the medium much like oil and canvas are to the painter.

I consider her work as art, but not digital art. To me digital art is heavily processed work.

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most would say that their work is art, regardless of how it is presented.

Does that mean selfies posted on Facebook are art?

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So a perfectly composed and snapped photograph is not digital art? Is an HDR image digital art - is combining multiple images together heavy adjustments?

I am easily confused.

First question, I call it art, but not digital art.
Second question, yes HDR is digital art.
Third question, if done in a way that it looks realistic, I would call it art, but not digital art.

But it is digital. It's composed of a series of ones and zeros. So it's digital and it's art, hence digital art...

Then what is a photograph or snapshot, or is there no such thing?
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Vivian Maier's photographs are considered art and they are NOT heavily edited or processed... The camera is the tool, the medium much like oil and canvas are to the painter.

I consider her work as art, but not digital art. To me digital art is heavily processed work.

Correct, it's analogue art because it's an analogue photograph. Analogue photos are analogue art. Digital photos are digital art. If she lived today and was using a DSLR her photographs would be digital and considered art. Hence digital art. Today's cameras are mini computers much like an or Ipod or MP3 player is.
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Snapshot is more or less just blindly or randomly taking photos with no thought to subject matter or composition. And little thought to the camera's settings.

When shooting a photograph some thought should be given to the subject matter, composition, cropping in the camera, lighting, depth of field and the camera (iso, aperture, shutter speed).

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Here is an interesting read on somewhat the same topic, »www.huffingtonpost.com/m ··· 646.html.

That was an interesting read, thanks!
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Snapshot is more or less just blindly or randomly taking photos with no thought to subject matter or composition. And little thought to the camera's settings.

When shooting a photograph some thought should be given to the subject matter, composition, cropping in the camera, lighting, depth of field and the camera (iso, aperture, shutter speed).

Then it is a photograph before heavy processing when it then is digital art?
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This has been an interesting thread, thanks to all who shared their views.
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Kindly stop it. As I said BEFORE IMHO photography is art. So digital photography is a form of digital art as is 3D modeling/rendering, digital painting...

You do realize that when you shoot your photos in the JPG format, your camera does most of the processing for you. it is digitally processed by your camera. When you shoot in RAW you digitally process your file using Lightroom, Photoshop, etc. So MOST photos straight from the camera are digitally processed in some way....

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Kindly stop it. As I said BEFORE IMHO photography is art. So digital photography is a form of digital art as is 3D modeling/rendering, digital painting...

You do realize that when you shoot your photos in the JPG format, your camera does most of the processing for you. it is digitally processed by your camera. When you shoot in RAW you digitally process your file using Lightroom, Photoshop, etc. So MOST photos straight from the camera are digitally processed in some way....

I shoot raw.

I didn't start this thread to change anyone's mind, I was only interested in what others thought. With that in mind I have not changed my mind, so we will agree to disagree. I appreciate hearing your view!

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For me it's very simple: whenever you use a camera, you take a photograph, regardless of how you may then define the image, or what your intention was when you took it.

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I take either photographs or snapshots with my digital camera.

I make digital art for the artify thread!

Thanks for sharing your view!
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SueS you seem to have difficulty grasping that a photo or image can be two things. For example a photo can be HDR and it can also be a landscape.
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If I were to scan a 35mm negative and save it to a file, would that transform the photo into digital art? It's now a binary file just like the photo I shot with a digital camera.

From the digital art wiki, yes it would. I added the emphasis bolding...
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Digital art can be purely computer-generated (such as fractals and algorithmic art) or taken from other sources, such as a scanned photograph or an image drawn using vector graphics software using a mouse or graphics tablet

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SueS - you originally posted the following as a comment on my photo here »vue666 picture 'Uniacke Estate Museum Park

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Not knowing your intent, I'm guessing this is intended to be digital art and not realistic, because I see shades of red, shades of green, and shades of blue in the first tree trunk. I see purple in the trunk of another tree. It would be helpful for those viewing if it were labeled digital art, if that is the intent.

Attached is a digital art piece I created "The Prowler". This was not created from photographs. It is it not both realistic (at least IMHO) and digital art?

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WOW!! That is a great image! Well done!!

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SueS - you originally posted the following as a comment on my photo here »vue666 picture 'Uniacke Estate Museum Park

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Not knowing your intent, I'm guessing this is intended to be digital art and not realistic, because I see shades of red, shades of green, and shades of blue in the first tree trunk. I see purple in the trunk of another tree. It would be helpful for those viewing if it were labeled digital art, if that is the intent.

Attached is a digital art piece I created "The Prowler". This was not created from photographs. It is it not both realistic (at least IMHO) and digital art?

Yes I agree that you can make digital art with software without using a camera.

It does not look to me like it came from a camera, and does look like digital art, if I understand your question.
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But it is an artistic attempt to recreate realism and not a cartoon or fantasy image... Hence when I posted my image to a couple of the online art galleries and forums it is often categorized as Realism->Landscape->Wildlife..

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SueS See Profile, you keep using the word snapshot. Is there a difference between a snapshot and a photograph? Are snapshots both digital and non-digital?
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If I were to get a personalized letter from someone I have great respect for and put it in a frame and hang it on a wall would that letter be art?

If I took a photo of that same letter and posted it on the 'net would that make it digital art? Would inverting the colors in the digital image, heavy editing, make the photograph of that letter digital art? If not, why not?
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WOW!! That is a great image! Well done!!

Thanks.... I actually enjoy doing 3D modeling/rendering and digital painting more than photography. But 3D modeling/rendering is so labor intensive. The image above took close to two weeks to create...
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If I were to get a personalized letter from someone I have great respect for and put it in a frame and hang it on a wall would that letter be art?

If I took a photo of that same letter and posted it on the 'net would that make it digital art? Would inverting the colors in the digital image, heavy editing, make the photograph of that letter digital art? If not, why not?

That's the thing what you call art & what I call art could differ greatly. Music is art and what I consider to be good music you may call noise. Art is very subjective and very much a personal thing.

Some people are big fans of abstract paintings and abstract photographs, while other people (even other artists) may see no value in the painting or photograph....
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SueS See Profile, you keep using the word snapshot. Is there a difference between a snapshot and a photograph? Are snapshots both digital and non-digital?

As I've repeated a few times over and over in this thread...Vivian Maier's photos were originally considered snapshots but are now considered art. So what is originally taken as a snapshot could latter be considered to be art...

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To thodse who post them, I presume so, but I really don't know. I have never taken nor posted a selfie on Facebook or any other place. You'd have to ask those who do.
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SueS you seem to have difficulty grasping that a photo or image can be two things. For example a photo can be HDR and it can also be a landscape.

Why does the gallery here have a category for digital art?
Why does the Fred Miranda forum have a forum just for digital art?

»/showp ··· 0470&1=1, if you were to post this in the landscape forum at Fred Miranda, someone would mention that it would be best to post it in the digital arts forum
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But it is an artistic attempt to recreate realism and not a cartoon or fantasy image... Hence when I posted my image to a couple of the online art galleries and forums it is often categorized as Realism->Landscape->Wildlife..

Look it is very nice work, you have a talent, but the picture does not look like anything from a camera, or does not look like a photograph.
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SueS See Profile, you keep using the word snapshot. Is there a difference between a snapshot and a photograph? Are snapshots both digital and non-digital?

Yes, a snapshot is just a quick snap, while a photograph has been thought out before pressing the shutter.
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The whole point of this thread is not to discuss what and when someone thinks something is art.

I said that a photograph or snapshot is what comes from the camera, and that we make it digital art at a later time with heavy processing.