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Kilroy
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Finger print or we turn off your cell phone

Pakistanis face a deadline: Surrender fingerprints or give up cellphone

Wonder when this is coming to the US. I'm sure we can improve on it by making DNA sampling mandatory too.

I can do without a cell phone. I wonder how many would give up their cell phone.
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One Word... Yikes!

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StuartMW
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said by Kilroy:

Wonder when this is coming to the US.

Soon I'd guess.

IMO none of this is going to stop until the "I have nothing to hide/just keep me safe" crowd grow a brain and realize where this is all going.
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Years ago I read 1984 for the first time and I wondered how the government was going to force people to get devices that they carried that kept track of their conversations and location at all times and how they were going to get TVs in everyone's homes that kept track of what you watched, watched you and forced you to have programming that only the state approved. I could not conceive of how the government would be able to force this on us.

Now I see that the government will never be able to force this on us. They don't need to. When the new iPhone comes out we run to the store and line up begging them to take our money. We beg to have the new smart TV and Xbox control that is essentially a sonar that tracks your movements within the home. Or EZ-pass toll tags or GPS that track us constantly.

In short, we are not asking for it ... we're begging for it loudly and it is not costing them a penny. We are taking out loans to pay for it ourselves.

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said by StuartMW:

... IMO none of this is going to stop until the "I have nothing to hide/just keep me safe" crowd grow a brain and realize where this is all going.

That point is most generally reached when the door kicked in by the "authorities" at 4 AM is their own and not that of the neighbor down the street. Thus it has always been... and thus it always will be. It's one of the saddest and timeless observations about human nature one can ever make...

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said by Sentinel:

In short, we are not asking for it ... we're begging for it loudly and it is not costing them a penny.

Yup. I've made the point before that the cell/mobille phone aka tracking 24/7/365 device would've been invented by the 3-letter agencies except they were beaten to it by private industry. All they have to do nowadays is just collect all the data 'for future reference". And the victims pay for it all themselves. Even George Orwell (1984 author) couldn't have foreseen that.
dave
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I'm keeping my cellphone. The US government already has my dabs.

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Huxley was right, and Orwell's world is a utopia by comparison.

Snowy
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I wonder how they will fingerprint the segment of the populace that have previously had their hands or fingers chopped off?

One thing for sure, it makes hand free operation a must have.

19579823 (banned)
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Just get a fake findgerprint dave and use that!!! (You can find them all over the place)

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Re: Finger print or we turn off your cell phone

actually the iphone has a finger print reader on it

So it's all ready here in the USA
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toe print?
19579823 (banned)
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Yup...People are unknowingly having thier fingerprint added to a database!! (Most wouldnt care if they knew!!)

Snowy
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said by 19579823:

(Most wouldnt care if they knew!!)

I don't particularly mind having my prints being on record.
It's a lot more efficient than having to provide a fresh set every time my alibi is questionable.
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Re: Finger print or we turn off your cell phone

said by StuartMW:

said by Kilroy:

Wonder when this is coming to the US.

Soon I'd guess.

IMO none of this is going to stop until the "I have nothing to hide/just keep me safe" crowd grow a brain and realize where this is all going.

I have nothing to hide, But if any authority wants data I have not transmitted they will need to present a warrant.

I may have nothing to hide, But as long as the US has the 4th Amendment its my right to hide it anyway.

Its why I commend the two primary moble OS vendors for finally turning on device encryption by default. The way its made the justice department squirm tells me something is right.

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Except for the 4th amendment didn't stop the NSA from snooping .

Kilroy
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I don't particularly mind having my prints being on record.

My prints are on record as I was a member of the military and worked for a bank, so the horse has left the barn for me. DNA on the other hand has not been supplied, not to say that it has not be covertly collected.

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Re: Finger print or we turn off your cell phone

said by dave:

I'm keeping my cellphone. The US government already has my dabs.

I am as well. The Feds already have my prints and retinas.
My first fingerprint was taken when I applied for a mail sorting job for the USPS. On record with the NRC from working with radioactive isotopes,classified work in the Air Force,airport SIDA badge,FAA,NTSB,NSA,passport,and even fingerprinted now for drivers license.
scelli (banned)
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My prints are on record as I was a member of the military and worked for a bank, so the horse has left the barn for me. DNA on the other hand has not been supplied, not to say that it has not be covertly collected.

Same here...except for the bank part.

I enlisted in 1970 and those who were in the military around that time will recall DoD was in the midst of making the massive changeover where a recruit's service number would also be their SS#. In addition you may also recall on the rear of the Armed Forces of the United States ID cards (in my case it was a DD-2MC) were the service member's fingerprints.

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Re: Finger print or we turn off your cell phone

My prints are also out there...(GA DL, active USAF, DoD civilian). I'm not convinced that my DNA wasn't collected via the multitude of drug (piss) tests.