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PX Eliezer1
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Re: No Cost VoIP and is it good

said by sambul92:

said by PX Eliezer1:

Another Yuan World supporter

Not really. What deserves support is a fair deal for everyone living on this planet called Earth.

Socialists just don't understand jokes.
79176722 (banned)
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said by sambul92:

What deserves support is a fair deal for everyone living on this planet called Earth.

Nah, that would take us for a bunch of clueless suckers.

See, whenever I come across someone who needs my help I always think very carefully who that person is towards others that could use his help. If he's not a kind person, he'll get no/very limited help from me. Doing anything else would be pathetic of me, because if I ever need his help in the future, or if in the current scenario I was in need and he had the means, then I know deep down inside he would not help me.

Now let's take this philosophy globally. How many empires have risen and fallen? What empire ever wanted to greatly share its resources with the poorest neediest of the entire world at the time? The answer is very clear: NOBODY.

If China were the world leader today, or Russia, or Europe, not only will none of them make the slightest effort to make the vast majority of the rest-of-the-world better (without getting any benefit in return -- other than the warm fuzzy feeling inside), but I get a very strong feeling that the world would have looked a lot more violent and a lot less free than it looks today.

So in a word: no. The world doesn't deserve anything special because the world never gave anything "for free" and would never give anything "for free" if it had the chance.
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said by nitzan:

said by arpawocky:

Will intercarrier compensation really even stop in 2020?

It's supposed to (mostly) stop next year. Whether that will actually happen remains to be seen...

What exactly does No intercarrier compensation mean? Does it mean if I place a call from A -> B, the call can be routed from my carrier A, through carrier C, D, etc., then to the destination carrier B and each carrier, i.e. C, D, etc., will impose a fee to either or both carrier A and B to service the call from A -> B?
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said by sambul92:

Not really. What deserves support is a fair deal for everyone living on this planet called Earth.

Typical polite Canadian.
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said by josephf:

the world still trades oil in dollars despite the "rising" of Japan and the EU.

Reasons?
Not sure if its relevant: Persian Gulf

said by 79176722:

If China were the world leader today...
The world doesn't deserve anything special because the world never gave anything "for free" and would never give anything "for free" if it had the chance.

There is some logic to it. How would you define "the world leader" term though? Any examples?
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said by sambul92:

said by josephf:

the world still trades oil in dollars despite the "rising" of Japan and the EU.

Persian Gulf

1) The biggest gulf is the gulf between some of those countries, and the modern era.

2) And despite your picture, the world still DOES trade oil in dollars.

3) Most of the countries in that region still discourage VoIP, with one large exception.
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said by PX Eliezer1:

The biggest gulf is the gulf between some of those countries, and the modern era.

Aircraft Carriers must be a sign of "the modern era"? That's how one is supposed to cross "the biggest gulf"?
said by PX Eliezer1:

Most of the countries in that region still discourage VoIP

Not sure if its entirely true, but of some sort possibly, and this is unfortunate sign among others often attributed to the area.
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said by sambul92:

How would you define "the world leader" term though?

It doesn't matter much how I define it. You can consider sitting on a bench in Mumbai meditating all day to be the ultimate freedom and the peak of the human existence. For you (in such a case), the world couldn't get any better even if you're the last human being surviving some natural/man-made catastrophe. So for such a person, the world leader is India due to its special "enlightenment"...

But lets be slightly more grounded here. In my view a leader is someone who can dominate his will on the rest. Whomever he chooses to give preferential treatment, gets it. Whomever he chooses to punish, gets punished, without being able to really do anything to change his fate.
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said by 79176722:

a leader is someone who can dominate his will on the rest. Whomever he chooses to give preferential treatment, gets it. Whomever he chooses to punish, gets punished, without being able to really do anything to change his fate.

Sadly, this view seems quite aggressive, and at the same time selfish and naive. It doesn't account for many history lessons, obviously assuming damage to environment, coups and wars can always be waged only on foreign soil and without impacting "the leader" no matter what he does, and regardless whether spelled out "reasons" make sense to the rest of the world.

In contrast, many people tend to believe in a lot more moderate view of what a "world leader" definition is, such as being able to deliver prosperity to own people and the world by diplomacy and developing common goals, without senselessly harming yourself and others, which in most cases only makes matters worse resulting in chaos and eventual retreat while imposing huge undue financial burden onto "the leader's" own population that strips away common civilized world benefits like free education and medical care other prosper nations enjoy already for 100 years.

It looks like this kind of leadership is still achievable via fair elections in each country, where financial contributions of every person or company into the election process are equally limited, so people elected to power, their actions and laws they enact truly reflect interests of the countries' entire population. Most people throughout the world don't want to "dominate and punish", or grab other nations' resources inspiring hate, or forcefully export "democratic values" they may not adhere to themselves. They just want to leave long peaceful happy healthy lives with their families.

I think we're going offtop with this, so I'm done.
79176722 (banned)
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I think you've said it beautifully, and I must admit I did have very similar outlooks in my younger years. But the world is a crazy place full of weak/apathetic people that bring tragedies onto themselves by refusing to grow a backbone (even when given a chance time & time again). Two/more strong colliding forces can ruin it all for everybody, unfortunately, and that's just a sad fact of life. The only way to reduce overall violence, is, paradoxically, by using unbound violence against specific, violent entities. You cannot reason with someone who's not afraid to die together with his entire family. You can only kill him (and them, if necessary) if he's a threat to you. Sorry, but that's how it's always been and will always be...
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said by 79176722:

You cannot reason with someone who's not afraid to die together with his entire family. You can only kill him (and them, if necessary) if he's a threat to you. Sorry, but that's how it's always been and will always be...

I disagree. Before making such determination, one has to look at the reasons behind why they "want to kill you". May be one of the reasons is .. your statement: "You can only kill him"... It's closed circle, don't you think? But if the reason behind that hate is their religion believes, don't be afraid to say so. That may help to break that closed circle... Unfortunately we somehow got to a point, where if you try to protect rights of middle class in this country they will call you "socialist". If you see that the actual reason behind of that perpetual division of people is their indoctrinated religion believes, they will call you "atheist"... Unless we recognize that (and the fact that some actually make huge profits from that), we are destined to keep those wars coming...
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These things aren't mutually exclusive. I believe in raising taxes, universal healthcare, better education, restricting guns (to only ex army/law enforcement), organic food, cigarette/smoke-free public streets, housing the homeless, etc. I'm also an agnostic (kinda like an atheist but still not believing intelligence can be created out of "random" inanimate materials alone). But before all these things, I'm first and foremost someone who wants to live a free life in a free world. For that, I'd sacrifice all the niceties of life if necessary.

As for the reasons of the person who wants to kill me -- I honestly don't give a crap if they're justified or not, religiously, morally, whatever. Again, I put myself in their shoes and I know full well that if they had the power and I didn't, based on their behavior towards their own people alone, it's pretty clear I'd be killed for simply not fully following their exact way of thinking. The vast majority of countries in the world have so much corruption in gov/army/police that it's a very scary thought what would happen if they had nuclear/biological weapons. Thank God (or luck/nature/whatever) for blessing America...

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A gentle reminder - this is a VoIP Technical Discussion forum - and the topic is regarding "No Cost VoIP" - let's get back to that, please.
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Been using Google Voice number with an Obihai box 201 for years with few problems other than the internet going out very occasionally and everything dying. Then the calls go straight to Google voice mail.