pandora Premium Member join:2001-06-01 Outland |
pandora
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2015-Mar-20 7:48 am
[WIN10] Windows 10 on ARM chips a real move by Microsoft?I've read Microsoft will be supporting Windows 10 on some ARM chips which are usually considered Linux territory. Raspberry Pi 2, which is a quad core non X86 instruction set computer is advertising Windows 10 will be supported and free to developers.
Is Microsoft really going to push non X86 devices for Windows other than just for cell phones? If so, will Microsoft Office and other products follow? Can this have a positive effect on Windows sales??
I'm wondering what if anything Microsoft can charge for Windows on a device like the Raspberry Pi 2 which is more or less $35. Linux distributions are free, how can Microsoft charge more than a token amount for Windows on such inexpensive devices? |
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BlitzenZeusBurnt Out Cynic Premium Member join:2000-01-13 |
What do you think the Win 8 RT devices were? They don't have x86-64 processors. |
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pandora Premium Member join:2001-06-01 Outland |
pandora
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2015-Mar-20 7:52 am
said by BlitzenZeus:What do you think the Win 8 RT devices were? They don't have x86-64 processors. Yeah, but the Raspberry Pi is $35 bucks. I don't recall super cheap RT devices do you? |
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BlitzenZeusBurnt Out Cynic Premium Member join:2000-01-13
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If you don't know the difference between a tablet, and a hobby kit I can't help you. |
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pandora Premium Member join:2001-06-01 Outland |
pandora
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2015-Mar-20 8:06 am
said by BlitzenZeus:If you don't know the difference between a tablet, and a hobby kit I can't help you. Support for the hobby kit is the cause of my confusion. Why is Microsoft supporting a hobby kit? No power supply, no case, no power button, no hard drive, but Windows 10 support. What is the plan for this? How does it help Microsoft?? |
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It actually makes some sense for Microsoft to have an OS and additional software ready for a growing platform like ARM. In fact its could be very much to their detriment to ignore such a platform. ARM is more then just phones and tablets because the potential is there to go beyond retail devices to things like portable point of sale devices, vending machines, ARM based servers, banking devices like ATMs and more.
If ARM is considered to be more secure then that would be seen as even more of an incentive to implement the hardware in places they aren't in today. An imbedded OS "might" be a little harder to misappropriate i.e. "pirate" so that is possibly a different angle on the security aspect from Microsoft's perspective.
Microsoft was ready with an OS and additional software for x86 / x64 platforms and they benefited greatly for it. It would seem foolish if they weren't ready for ARM too.
As for the Raspberry Pi 2, I'm not really sure what to make of it. It may be within the realm of possibilities for Microsoft to release a truncated cut down version of Windows that is not supported with updates in the classical sense.
For What its worth, I've heard that Windows RT devices wouldn't be seeing an update to Windows 10 (or Windows 10 ARM equivalent). Instead there will be some kind of feature update which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. |
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dave Premium Member join:2000-05-04 not in ohio |
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I'd guess your confusion is that you're thinking that Windows on a Pi will be the same as Windows on a desktop. » dev.windows.com/en-us/fe ··· 2supportquote: how can Microsoft charge more than a token amount for Windows on such inexpensive devices?
The price seems to be $0. » dev.windows.com/en-us/fe ··· -for-IoT |
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pandora Premium Member join:2001-06-01 Outland |
pandora
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2015-Mar-20 10:11 am
For developers it's $0. Is Microsoft going to charge $0 for Windows 10 on ARM systems? If so, it could rattle Linux a bit. |
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dave Premium Member join:2000-05-04 not in ohio |
dave
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2015-Mar-20 10:41 am
Microsoft has announced no plans to sell Windows 10 on ARM systems. Microsoft has announced no plans to sell Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi systems. » www.informationweek.com/ ··· /1316523I suspect that giving away Windows to the general public is not yet on the cards. |
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JohnInSJ Premium Member join:2003-09-22 Aptos, CA |
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said by pandora:What is the plan for this? How does it help Microsoft?? It gives them an OS for the massive growth future IoT space. It's not intended to be used to run desktop software/apps, it's the OS platform you use to deploy "smart" devices, if you want to leverage your windows dev skills. Kinda like Azure hosting of services vs running a windows server / vps. |
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Exactly IoT is the next big thing in IT but the money in IoT is in things like Azure so Microsoft has to support the full ecosystem including ARM systems. I've been using Microsoft Gadgeteer running on ARM chips for years and it's a great way to build devices. Looking forward to using Windows 10 on even more devices.
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