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[Connection] Which type of coax to buy to run from STB to television ?Short story: new (to me) television for bedroom and the TV had to be moved. I need a longer chunk of coax to run from my Motorola 700 STB to the TV. Which type do I buy? I am planning to get it from Amazon (if they have the right sort). I *think* I remember reading something once about it needing to be "shielded". Don't want worries about leakage, etc. The TV is an older CRT type. I just need a piece with the fittings in a length of 6 to 8 feet. I have a PhD in Klutz; it would be GREAT if someone could give me a specific item or two to buy. Below is a link to Amazon's shielded cables: » www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ ··· ield+RG6Thanks !! |
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Re: [Equip] Which type of coax to buy to run from STB to television ?By nature coax is shielded(just some is better shield than other). for cable tv you want a good tri shielded or quad shielded cable. For the distance your running rg59 or rg6 would not make a difference. If you don't mind red colored coax i could make you some cables with some rg59 Head-end cable (some of the most over kill shielded coax two dense braids and two foils). |
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Anything you can find in a store with the correct ends on it will work for the purpose. |
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I was thinking STB to the wall, for STB to the Tv ant thing will work. |
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said by maxbrando:I was thinking STB to the wall, for STB to the TV any thing will work. Yes, for a short length from the Chan 3/4 RF output of the STB to your TV, you don't need anything fancy (such as RG-6QS quad-shielded). Of those cables that you linked to on Amazon, the 8 foot Commscope RG-6 Tri-Shield Coaxial Cable » www.amazon.com/Digital-E ··· 0JJZ6J02 would be fine (if not a bit overkill). If you have a RadioShack (that's still open) nearby, this 6 foot RG-6 cable for $7 would do: » www.radioshack.com/radio ··· 018.htmlOr if there's a Lowes nearby, they have this 6 Foot RG-6 cable for $6: » www.lowes.com/pd_478829- ··· 606WHN_0 |
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egnlsn Premium Member join:2003-09-26 Salt Lake City, UT |
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Yeah, just standard RG59 would be perfect for your application. You could just get that from Rat Shack or even your local hardware store. |
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Um, you might get a better picture using audio and video cables rather than an RF cable. » www.amazon.com/RiteAV-Au ··· 00V0DY7U Unless the TV is way old it will have these inputs. If the TV is even close to modern and has an HDMI input (which would be labeled such), you might want to upgrade your Moto 700 to a more modern DTA or cable box with HDMI outs that supports HD and get a cheap HDMI cable (which Comcast probably includes). Would look much better. |
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From an old, previous thread by the OP » [Comcast Equip] Issues with Motorola DCT-700 box , that appears to be the case: said by FureverFurry:Just an old CRT TV hooked up to the DCT-700 ... |
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said by maxbrando:If you don't mind red colored coax i could make you some cables with some rg59 Head-end cable (some of the most over kill shielded coax two dense braids and two foils). That would be lovely, except I am "allergic" to the color red. It is a 100% pure jinx color. I haven't anything in my home that's red, except maybe a few specks of blood when a kitty claws me. |
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said by telcodad:said by maxbrando:I was thinking STB to the wall, for STB to the TV any thing will work. Yes, for a short length from the Chan 3/4 RF output of the STB to your TV, you don't need anything fancy (such as RG-6QS quad-shielded). Of those cables that you linked to on Amazon, the 8 foot Commscope RG-6 Tri-Shield Coaxial Cable » www.amazon.com/Digital-E ··· 0JJZ6J02 would be fine (if not a bit overkill). Ta, thanks telcodad and maxbrando So if I was ALSO to get a bit longer piece from the wall outlet to the STB, I should look at some other sort ? Would help a bit to have a longer piece from the wall. THANKS !! |
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said by FureverFurry:So if I was ALSO to get a bit longer piece from the wall outlet to the STB, I should look at some other sort ? Would help a bit to have a longer piece from the wall.
THANKS !! If it's only going to be 12 feet or less in length, then those same type cables would be fine. |
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egnlsn Premium Member join:2003-09-26 Salt Lake City, UT |
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It doesn't need to be RG6 or even Quad. Standard RG59 would be fine there as well. You would just have to be more picky about where you get it from to make sure it meets CATV specs. |
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Do NOT get RG59.. Stick with RG6 |
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said by SuperNet:Do NOT get RG59.. Stick with RG6 Yes, these days RG-6 coax is cheap enough that there's not much reason to go with inferior (higher-loss, poorly-shielded) RG-59. See: » Why does RG-59 need to be fixed? |
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So its not a myth the color red is jinxed? |
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Please stop perpetuating the rg-59 is bad myth, rg-59 only really defines a 75ohm coax with a 20-22 gauge center conductor. If you where to use a good quality rg59 such as tri and quadshield headend cable you would realize that their is not much difference between a good quality rg6 and a good quality rg59, and for very short runs i personally prefer a good quality 59 because it is more flexible than rg6. The only problem with most rg59 in use is that it is aged or was built to poor specifications. But, back on topic. From the STB to the wall any cable would work (even those horrible cables with no foil) From the wall to the STB you will want a cable that is made with 77% trishield or Quad shield. |
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said by maxbrando:Please stop perpetuating the rg-59 is bad myth, rg-59 only really defines a 75ohm coax with a 20-22 gauge center conductor. Sorry, but for the typical RG-59 cable that most people would commonly come across in a store today, its inferiority to RG-6 is not a myth. From the "Cable Tech" FAQ area of this site: From: » Cable Modems and Wiring Issues » What are the most common types of CATV wiring?quote: What are the most common types of CATV wiring?
The most common grades of CATV cable used in homes today are RG59 and RG6 (aka RG56).
RG59 was the standard for home wiring many years ago, but is generally problematic today. RG59 is a lower grade of coaxial cable, consisting of a small center conductor, a small insulating dielectric, and typically, a single outer shield.
RG6 is the standard today and has a larger center conductor, a dual or quad shield, and a much larger insulating dielectric, thus ensuring more bandwidth and a lower frequency loss per foot.
said by maxbrando:If you where to use a good quality rg59 such as tri and quadshield headend cable you would realize that their is not much difference between a good quality rg6 and a good quality rg59 Key words there - "good quality" and "headend cable" - not the typical RG-59 cable that most people would run into. said by maxbrando:for very short runs i personally prefer a good quality 59 because it is more flexible than rg6. Yes, that's true. said by maxbrando:The only problem with most rg59 in use is that it is aged or was built to poor specifications. Exactly! |
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said by maxbrando:But, back on topic.
From the STB to the wall any cable would work (even those horrible cables with no foil) I think you meant to say there: "From the STB to the TV any cable would work (even those horrible cables with no foil)" |
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egnlsn Premium Member join:2003-09-26 Salt Lake City, UT 1 edit |
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More flexibility with Series 59 cable, which is easier on the mating connectors. From a reputable manufacturer, the physical construction of the 2 cables is identical. Same impedance, same shielding effectiveness, same capacitance. The only differences are d.c. resistance (irrelevant for CATV) and attenuation, which @1000MHz., is ~1.5dB/100'. A 20' jumper of Series 59 loses a mere 0.3dB more than a comparable Series 6 jumper (from the same manufacturer).
Just because Series 6 is the standard doesn't mean that is the only thing that can be used. Nor does it mean that everything is substandard.
I've used Series 59 jumpers from the wallplate to the receiver for countless DirecTV installations. |
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said by egnlsn:From a reputable manufacturer, the physical construction of the 2 cables is identical. Same impedance, same shielding effectiveness, same capacitance. The only differences are d.c. resistance (irrelevant for CATV) and attenuation, which @1000MHz., is ~1.5dB/100'. A 20' jumper of Series 59 loses a mere 0.3dB more than a comparable Series 6 jumper (from the same manufacturer). Again, no doubt as maxbrando said, for "good quality rg59 such as tri and quadshield headend cable ..." there may be little difference in performance, but for typically found RG-6 and RG-59 cabling, the RG-6 ones will normally be superior in performance. Most of the RG-59 cables that I have come across only have a single braided shield, unlike all the RG-6 ones that I have, that are at least double-shielded (foil-braid), with most of them being the "QS" quad-shielded (foil-braid-foil-braid) variety. |
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2015-Mar-28 10:18 pm
Doesn't even have to be tri or quad if it comes from a major manufacturer such as TimesFiber, CommScope, or Belden. But yes, the Series 59 cable they sell at your local hardware store just may be copper-braid. |
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said by egnlsn:Doesn't even have to be tri or quad if it comes from a major manufacturer such as TimesFiber, CommScope, or Belden. But yes, the Series 59 cable they sell at your local hardware store just may be copper-braid. In most cases a good 60% or 67% Dual shield would suffice, but where I live( multiple fm stations and a TV station broadcasting) Comcast uses 77% XPRESSPREP cable and before that they used quad shielded cable. Actually most of the store bought rg59 cable I have came across have foil shields the only problem is they are usually unbonded and come with a "braid" consisting of a few countable copper wires (no real measureable coverage). What sucks is that 59 is clearly the best cable size for jumpers but the catv industry and manufacturers have pretty much stopped making good general purpose rg59 (meaning not expensive overkill shielded and silver plated headend cable) in favor of rg6. |
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2015-Mar-28 11:50 pm
The other problem with most store bought 59 jumpers is that most of the time the connectors are poorly made and poorly attached, I cut the molded boot off of several cables and found the the crimp quality underneath to be quite poor, in some cases i was able to pull the connector off by hand. |
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egnlsn Premium Member join:2003-09-26 Salt Lake City, UT |
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The manufacturers I mentioned above still make Series 59 cable. |
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said by egnlsn:The manufacturers I mentioned above still make Series 59 cable. Belden might still but the commscope online broadband catalog shows no 59series cables and the times fiber website implies that they only make rg6 and rg11 drop cable. |
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2015-Mar-29 1:09 am
That is unfortunate about TimesFiber and CommScope. Belden does appear to make several versions of Series 59 cable -- 9104 being one of them |
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Re: [Connection] Which type of coax to buy to run from STB to television ?From the stb to the tv » www.ebay.com/itm/BELKIN- ··· a5918afbHow long of a jumper do you need from the wall to the stb? |
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For wall to STB, I'm guess-timating about 8 or 9 feet. Ten (10) feet, max. There's a fairly large distance between the STB and TV and I have naughty cats so using audio/video cables now doesn't seem like a great idea. (I'm going to give that a try for the LR set later, 'tho.) My head hurts from everyone's great, technical info -- thanks. I plan to buy the coax online (preferably Amazon). Would y'all kindly consider giving me a link or selection on just WHAT coax to buy -- especially for the bit going from the wall outlet to the STB, please. Or send me a PM ? Like I posted -- I have a PhD in Klutzery. |
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said by FureverFurry:For wall to STB, I'm guess-timating about 8 or 9 feet. Ten (10) feet, max. There's a fairly large distance between the STB and TV and I have naughty cats so using audio/video cables now doesn't seem like a great idea. (I'm going to give that a try for the LR set later, 'tho.) My head hurts from everyone's great, technical info -- thanks. I plan to buy the coax online (preferably Amazon). Would y'all kindly consider giving me a link or selection on just WHAT coax to buy -- especially for the bit going from the wall outlet to the STB, please. Or send me a PM ? Like I posted -- I have a PhD in Klutzery. » www.amazon.com/Monoprice ··· al+cable |
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Re: [Equip] Which type of coax to buy to run from STB to television ?said by telcodad:Most of the RG-59 cables that I have come across only have a single braided shield, unlike all the RG-6 ones that I have, that are at least double-shielded (foil-braid), with most of them being the "QS" quad-shielded (foil-braid-foil-braid) variety. said by egnlsn:... But yes, the Series 59 cable they sell at your local hardware store just may be copper-braid. Or maybe as good as foil+60%-coverage-braid, like this one at the local Ace Hardware store? |
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