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Boston Harbor is the culprit here.

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said by richk_1957:

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Since I am not in that end of telecomunications, this might be off base, but -
The reason behind the 1-mile limit restriction from the telco CO is because beyond that, the losses in that cable are to great. (or so I have been told...)
Now, I know that the there is very little loss in fiber, so what's their beef?

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reply to Harddrive

Re: Boston Harbor is the culprit here.

said by Xylon69:

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"Sadly (for this purpose only ), Boston Harbor is the culprit here. The wires from the CO are copper, as are the wires into my building. But it's fiber optic under the water - and that's the problem, in terms of DSL

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reply to Harddrive

De-regulation without representation.

said by Xylon69:

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I would hope the FCC would step in and have broadband access to most everyone in 5 to 10 years.

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reply to the strokes$

Re: Boston Harbor is the culprit here.

reply to Harddrive
Sounds like you all need to have another 'tea party'. Perhaps dumping your DSL and Cable Modem's into the bay would make the civic leaders take note?

j/k..... But I do feel for those of you in perfectly good areas to live having to deal with dial-up just because the RBOC's and ISP's are unwilling to rollout service to your areas in a timely manner.

Good luck
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Angerman was filled with fury, he the judge and he the jury, Homer in the gun, homer in the gun

reply to Harddrive

said by Xylon69:

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From Allopenna:

"Sadly (for this purpose only ), Boston Harbor is the culprit here. The wires from the CO are copper, as are the wires into my building. But it's fiber optic under the water - and that's the problem, in terms of DSL . I was told (and I believe this) that it is not likely that the fiber portion will be replaced any time soon, as it serves its primary purpose (voice communications) well."

If you think Verizon is going to lay copper under Boston Harbor just for DSL, you've got another thing coming.

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said by KrK:

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said by Xylon69:

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From Allopenna:

"Sadly (for this purpose only ), Boston Harbor is the culprit here. The wires from the CO are copper, as are the wires into my building. But it's fiber optic under the water - and that's the problem, in terms of DSL . I was told (and I believe this) that it is not likely that the fiber portion will be replaced any time soon, as it serves its primary purpose (voice communications) well."

If you think Verizon is going to lay copper under Boston Harbor just for DSL, you've got another thing coming.

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That's a great excuse. They are basically saying "You can't get there from here." However, *nothing* stops them from setting up a remote DSLAM on the OTHER SIDE of the fiber, which is then connected back to the CO via the fiber under the harbor. The DSLAM serves as the connection point for the copper pairs to the people's homes. The only reason they aren't doing it it because they don't want too. Using the "Fiber under the harbor, nothing we can do" is pure hand-wringing at best. "My Dog ate my homework..."

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said by boogie74:

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You're leaving something quite obvious out here. There IS something VERY BIG that stops them from setting up a remote DSLAM on the other side of the fiber- it's called MONEY. What you haven't figured out yet is that it isn't free to do this. It's not like they just need to go out and flip the switch in the RT and it will work.

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Ah, I forgot that Verizon doesn't have any money to invest in infrastructure... that those people in Boston want the service, and would pay for it, and that makes the investment worthwhile. Or are you still trying to sell everyone on the argument that DSL is a money losing service that won't make any money until ILEC's get a handout from the Government?

Basically, there is no competition, therefore, the people have no choice, and so there is no incentive for Verizon to give a damn. They can take as long as they want to deploy because it's not like they will "lose" business by going slow.

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reply to Harddrive
I think the point here is that Verizon doesn't see DSL as a mainstream customer service. Voice is their 'bread and butter'. Someday they will or the local cable company in that area will give the customers broadband access. but until then, they have to use 56k or sat dishes.
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Fortunately I keep my feathers numbered, for just such an emergency.-Foghorn Leghorn

It's what happened here in Albuquerque, NM. When I first moved out here (OK I was lucky as I moved out to go to school, and in the campus dorms, we got ethernet hookup as part of the dorm cost, and so connected to the Internet via the universities 3 T3 lines...

The rest of the city, it was a shambles, with dialup the only option. The cable company (then Jones Intercable, since became Comcast) talked about deploying cable modem service for years, and nothing done. It wasn't *all* them though, a little something about how local politics can enter into things.

Then for instance we had a fiber cable that ran a good long way, down towards Los Lunas, but no one could tap into it. Why? The local phone company (US West then), AT&T, and the government each invested something in laying it, and so a teritorial dispute broke out. Until that was settled, no one could tap into it...so it sat there for years un-used. I'm not sure if they ever got that one settled to this day or not.

In some parts of the city, they terribly multi-plexed the lines to the point that people were getting 2,400 baud and the like, and it was really ticking people off. Would they address it? No, not even though the voice line of the professor who taught network topologies when I was taking it, had audible line noise at the box they install to mark the demarcation point outside his house. He was peeved, so started trolling their booth and telling everyone how they could do their job better, when US West showed up at a trade show to demo something ROFL Our whole lecture on phone wiring became "Why US West sucks, and how to do it better"...that was one strange lecture ROFLMAO Carol was also not happy...try running a computer business when all you get from the phone company is 56k that runs at more like 9,600 baud. Over that one must download all the drivers, operating system updates, BIOSes, tech documents etc, for every piece of hardware that goes into a computer they're building for a customer... And oh yeah, they custom build x86 machines, DEC Alphas, and Sun UltraSPARCs (having a broad base of customers from banks, to one of the local hospitals, Sandia, the government, etc...each looking for different things in a custom built comp of whichever platform)...

Anyway, in it was fall 1999, Jeto Communications came in and started offering DSL independent of the phone company (that didn't yet get into it). But then it was expensive (like $500 for equipment, another $500 for install, and $200 or so for just 133/133 IDSL)... Rates were bad, and all over the country people were reporting better rates...

However, this was just enough for others to get off their collective arses and start deployment. Over the next year, US West responded by beginning to implement DSL service of their own, then of course other providers moved in, prices were driven down to more normal rates (akin to what the rest of the country was paying).

After Jeto moved in with their own offering, it wasn't then long before everyone else started moving in. Actually rather short by comparison of the first guy moving in.

As to demand? Well when you consider a large city, and a number of well payed and technically knowledgeable employees, such as those who work at Intel (has a fabrication campus up near Rio Rancho, where they manufactured Pentium IIIs among other things), Sandia National Laboratories (involved in National Security research and development mostly), among other places...there is and has been demand.
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reply to Logan 5

said by Logan 5:

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Sounds like you all need to have another 'tea party'. Perhaps dumping your DSL and Cable Modem's into the bay would make the civic leaders take note?

j/k..... But I do feel for those of you in perfectly good areas to live having to deal with dial-up just because the RBOC's and ISP's are unwilling to rollout service to your areas in a timely manner.

Good luck

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reply to boogie74

said by boogie74:

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Ah, I forgot that Verizon doesn't have any money to invest in infrastructure... that those people in Boston want the service, and would pay for it, and that makes the investment worthwhile. Or are you still trying to sell everyone on the argument that DSL is a money losing service that won't make any money until ILEC's get a handout from the Government?

Basically, there is no competition, therefore, the people have no choice, and so there is no incentive for Verizon to give a damn. They can take as long as they want to deploy because it's not like they will "lose" business by going slow.

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I'm done responding to this... either Verizon has unlimited cash or they have no cash... what kind of argument is that?

Please... for yours and everyone elses sake, take a course in business and marketing.

Boogie

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It's not about having cash or not having cash, it's how long will it take to make back the money. We all know Verizon has it, but they aren't a charity. If it's gonna take them 30 years to make back the money, then obviously they aren't even going to think about it, but if they have make back the install in 36 months, then they would think about it. Bottom line, no company can do a zillion dollars worth of work to install 500 customers, but you can do a few hundred thousand for 1,000's of customers.

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