 DSLGuy0thread killerPremium
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Mckinney, TX
| is that your opinion or is that based on fact? I'm curious how SBC/SNET f'ed up the lines in CT? Please explain.
EDIT: added comment on Oklahoma.. and spell check.. sorry, I fat fingered my response.
Now I'm really confused.. How does adding DSL to Oklahoma spell disaster for OK users? What other company is going to build out the infrastructure? Or should OK remain in the dark?
Call me confused here, but I don't get your arguments.
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
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| said by DSLGuy:
I'm curious how SBC/SNET f'ed up the lines in CT? Please explain.
Now I'm really confused.. How does adding DSL to Oklahoma spell disaster for OK users? What other company is going to build out the infrastructure? Or should OK remain in the dark?
Call me confused here, but I don't get your arguments.
What about parts of New Jersey, its baffles me that parts of NJ, the most populated state in the union, DSL isnt offered, or available because of DLCs. I dont think this would happen in Jersey because there are already a few competitors.
In regards to other companies, Verizon, SBC have proven they refuse to work with any other companies. So DSL should now become a basic service, DSL must be provided.
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DSLGuy0thread killerPremium
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Mckinney, TX | reply to DSLGuy0
according to their site, SBC doesn't service NJ. I think you're way off point here.. DSL is not a basic service.. c'mon.. aren't we all being a little spoiled here if we think that DSL as a technology is now so mainstream that it should be available to every household in the US? Check into the DSL Forum Working Groups.. DSL is still in it's infancy.
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lvas
join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL | reply to DaveDude
dsl a basic service? Verizon & SBC have proven they can work with other companies & they do every day. Both RBOC’s have lost major access line numbers to competitors in the last couple of years. You might not like it,
But those are the facts. Now I’m not going to say they don’t make it difficult to when & where the
Legally Can – sure why not. After all – while they might have to give the knife over to there competitiors (equipment access) they don't have to stand still while its plunged into their backs.
As for DSL being a basic service – dream on. Where are the monies going to come from to deploy
DSL to everyone? Maybe you haven’t heard the news lately – but most telcom companies are just
A little bit worried about just staying afloat. Let alone building out a DSL network at great
Cost per house passed – when only about 20% of houses are buying when it is available. |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
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Re: is that your opinion or is that based on fact? Well
If DSL was available, and a USEFUL product people would use it, It doesnt take a genius to figure out that voice is now a competitive service(Cellphones), but Data is a more REAL market. Either the phone companies must wake up, and start providing DSL everywhere, or home phones will be only for dialup exclsively. OH and let me claify basic service meaning that available as caller-id and call waiting. call-intercept is a preferred service. The senario is once i can be phone service thru my cablemodem , its bye bye bell. Cable Co's are smart enough to fiqure it out. ITs not my fault the Phone companies cant keep there finances in check. If i went into a store and they said you are selling last yrs products because, we cant afford new ones, i would go elsewhere.
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lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL | reply to lvas
Re: dsl a basic service? said by lvas:
Maybe you haven't heard the news lately but most telcom companies are just A little bit worried about just staying afloat.
So worried in fact that after a regulatory relief law is passed they find the funds to build out DSL networks in OK. Doesn't this prove Bells are abusing their monopoly status in the local loop?
Time for another Teddy Roosevelt type of trust buster!!! |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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Re: is that your opinion or is that based on fact? said by DSLGuy:
Now I'm really confused.. How does adding DSL to Oklahoma spell disaster for OK users?
Well let me explain. The adding of DSL service to some towns isn't a disaster. What is is the pricetag--- legislation that grants SBC data services (like DSL) exemption from the oversight of the OCC (Oklahoma's PUC.)
Basically, Oklahoma has just said "Here you go SBC, you are now free to do whatever you wish, and we give up our say about it. You are hereby granted monopoly control over our Citizens... Use them as you will! Thanks for your check!" |
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said by DamnDave:
What about parts of New Jersey, its baffles me that parts of NJ, the most populated state in the union, DSL isnt offered, or available because of DLCs. I dont think this would happen in Jersey because there are already a few competitors.
In regards to other companies, Verizon, SBC have proven they refuse to work with any other companies. So DSL should now become a basic service, DSL must be provided.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked, New Jersey has MUCH fewer people than California, Texas and New York... Where did you even come up with NJ being the "most populated state in the union?"
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 P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
join:2001-08-29
way way out | reply to DSLGuy0
said by DSLGuy:
I'm curious how SBC/SNET f'ed up the lines in CT? Please explain.
they removed the copper in cromwell,CT and some other places in CT... and now all i have is a high fiber diet... i live 10k from CO but because there is not enough copper to feed to my house i cannot get dsl....even though the previous owner as of 12/1/01 had dsl from snet something changed from 12/1/01 to 12/15/01 and they removed our section of the town from the service area...
hmmm.very weird..if they would just let me have access to the fiber.. i mean i'm not picky..i'll take 100mb/100mb access... |
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dbarc
join:2000-01-22
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to boogie74
said by boogie74:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked, New Jersey has MUCH fewer people than California, Texas and New York... Where did you even come up with NJ being the "most populated state in the union?"
Boogie
He only left out a word. New Jersey is the most DENSELY populated state in the union. |
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| »www.census.gov/population/census···stco.txt
According to this site, Jersey has 1042 people per square mile while California only has 190...so New Jersey wins hands down!
Damn, where is everyone living??? |
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said by KrK:
Basically, Oklahoma has just said "Here you go SBC, you are now free to do whatever you wish,....
.......just like we told all those CLECs back in '96 that we gave an intentional head start to so, if they had their act together, could catch up.
I know, it wasn't the OK leg. that did it, but you get the point. The OK leg. is who got their act together first. Hopefully more will follow. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Oklahoma just was the first to sell out completely. No suprise, they've been doing that for years.
People? Who cares! Let 'em fend for 'emselves. We Okie politicians are friends of Business! |
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