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| | Get real! Get a life people!
You have the NERVE to sit here like children, BRAGGING about your collection of warez and where to get pirated programs and movies, then have the GALL to bitch and moan when the people getting screwed try to stop you. What a bunch of self-centered, moronic fools.
I dont want to here this "Who are we hurting?" crap. If you idiots made these movies, you would be screaming if you saw sites giving it away for free. The sites that do this and those who use them are BREAKING THE LAW, SCREWING THE DEVELOPERS AND COPYRIGHT HOLDERS, and RIPPING OFF THE GOVERNMENT due to loss taxes of the product.
Dont come crying around here when you people SINGLE HANDEDLY put handcuffs on yourself by forcing the passage of laws, new guidelines, and increased ticket and product prices. If you cant AFFORD IT, dont STEAL IT. I see things daily I would love to have, but I dont steal them.
This world would be a better place without all you damn thieves in it. | |
|  | | Re: Get real! RIGHT ON !!! It's about time someone around here said it!! The pirates, thieves and cyberpunks that cruise the forums around here are all about patting each other on the back for sticking it to the "rich folks" in the entertainment industry. But do they "stick it to them" by not consuming their products? Hell no!!
THEY JUST STEAL, STEAL, STEAL and justify it later with some mumbo-jumbo claptrap. I am sick of these kinds of people on the internet. | |
| |  nanofeverLiberal Democrats, You Know We're Right
join:2001-08-19
Modesto, CA | Re: Get real! said by Hate_Thieves:
THEY JUST STEAL, STEAL, STEAL and justify it later with some mumbo-jumbo claptrap. I am sick of these kinds of people on the internet.
I absolute agree kick the RIAA off the internet. | |
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| | Yup. The most pathetic thing I hear is "Im not hurting anyone. Im just one person.". Yeah. And imagine if 1 MILLION people said this. Each one as an individual isnt hurting us that much, but when you add them all together....then people see the problem.
Theft is theft. You steal, you should be punished. Ripping CDs and movies and trading them on the net is just as bad as walking into a store and swiping the CD off the rack once for every time someone downloads the songs from you. And for those who download it for themselves without giving anything away, its JUST AS BAD TO RECEIVE KNOWN STOLEN PROPERTY AS IT IS TO DISTRIBUTE IT.
Want to help everyone out? REPORT THE THIEVES! Hit Google for links to Pirate Reporting Sites.
It will catch up to you thieves sooner or later. And when it does, I will be laughing my head off. | |
| |  tklown
join:2000-09-17
Sayreville, NJ | Re: Get real! Dude! You are so stupid. The Government is rich and so are the MPAA and RIAA, I'm not saying that it is right to do this but the MPAA and RIAA aren't losing much
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| |  BrendanWarr Guitar is here
join:2000-07-14
Littleton, CO | While I wholeheartedly agree that teft is theft, I DO NOT agree with the RIAA/MPAA putting out products that sacrifice QUALITY for PROTECTION from thieves.
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| |  Tesla8Norse By Norse-West
join:2001-12-18
Saint Louis, MO | It's not stealing though.. If I go into a supermarket and walk out with a watermelon, Then, without a doubt, I have hurt the store. They have 1 less physical watermelon. If I were to go in, make a copy of the watermelon, and leave, the store still has its watermelon, so you can't physically prove I stole anything. Digital copying is the same way. The MPAA has lost nothing except "possible" "potential" profit..
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| | |  ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
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| Re: Get real! said by Tesla:
If I were to go in, make a copy of the watermelon, and leave, the store still has its watermelon, so you can't physically prove I stole anything.
I am glad there are no copy rights on food. Imagine if you could no longer buy a watermelon at the store and use the seeds to grow your own so you don't have to buy them anymore.
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| | | giggy
join:2002-01-25
Fairfax, VA | said by Tesla:
If I were to go in, make a copy of the watermelon, and leave, the store still has its watermelon, so you can't physically prove I stole anything.
LOL! | |
| | |  2kmaroThinkPremium,ExMod 1 BC
join:2000-07-11
ColossalCave | Tesla - you cannot eat the copy of your watermelon. You can listen to the copy of the audio or video work. Sorry, bad analogy.
This situation is more like going in to a book store with a xerox machine, making a copy of the book and leaving the book behind but taking the copy with you.
While I'm not on the side of RIAA or MPAA, I am against thieves. Always have been, always will be. And if someone is going to steal something, I actually have more respect for them if they just admit it and move on - less respect for those who try to excuse their actions.
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| | |  50970758The One And OnlyPremium
join:2002-02-28
mdzRghey | said by Tesla:
It's not stealing though.. If I go into a supermarket and walk out with a watermelon, Then, without a doubt, I have hurt the store. They have 1 less physical watermelon. If I were to go in, make a copy of the watermelon, and leave, the store still has its watermelon, so you can't physically prove I stole anything. Digital copying is the same way. The MPAA has lost nothing except "possible" "potential" profit..
thats exactly the way i see it. If it's a physical thing then i'll pay for it, cause i can touch/feel/etc it. I'll pay for a CD cause i can touch it BUT what about the software... ??? can i touch that? NO... so why should i pay fot it .. ?.... IF you can provide me with a hardcopy of the code to the software on paper on that cd, THEN i'll pay you for it...
as for d/ling movies ang music of the net... Everyone who has a internet connection knows where to get free movies and music... even the FBI or whoever is trying to prevent the release of movies o the internet... Why are the comming after the USers ? why not go after the source ? going after teh user just proves that they want the warez or what ever service going but just want to kick's of stopping the user... the source is ONE the Users are infinite.
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| | | Yup. The most pathetic thing I hear is "Im not hurting anyone. Im just one person.".
Yes I am hurting someone and I know it, I hopefully am hurting the RIAA and MPAA with ripping of music and movies and warez. It's a shame but they need to release a better product. | |
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| | tklown, I should take your sig's advice and not argue with an idiot like you, but that statement is just plain stupid.
Using your typical pirate twisted logic:
Bill Gates is rich, so its ok for me to use my copy of Windows in 30 computers.
WalMart is rich, so its ok for me to steal from the local WalMart. They can afford it.
Michael Jordan is rich. So its perfectly fine for me to steal his car. He can easily afford another one.
Whether the MPAA and RIAA lose 1 penny or 1 billion pennies, THEFT IS THEFT! Why do some people think there are varying levels of theft? It is WRONG and ILLEGAL.
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| | tklown
join:2000-09-17
Sayreville, NJ | Re: Get real! That's why I said that I didn't think it was right | |
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| | Ok, Tesla. Problem with your case is that that watermelon is not COPYRIGHTED. When you purchase [or steal it], it is all yours. You can use it once and then its gone.
Pretend that watermelon is a DVD. Lets say you go into the store and manage to copy a DVD and leave. You go home and make 1000 copies and either sell them or give them all away. Now you are hurting the manufacturer, the store, and the people who made the movie. Every single one you give away or sell results in lost profits and returns to those who made that COPYRIGHTED DVD. And this is also a slap in the face to those who legitamately purchased that DVD from the store you copied it from [or any store for that matter].
Even if 900 of the 1000 people who you gave a DVD to had no intention of purchasing it at the store, you are still putting that many into circulation without regards for those who made it or are owed kickbacks for it.
Sadly we can all argue this topic for months and it can go back and forth. To me, its more of a MORAL issue than anything else. If someone owns the rights to something and they are laid out as clear as day, then violating those rights or hurting others is wrong. | |
| | Tesla8Norse By Norse-West
join:2001-12-18
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Get real! If I give my copy to someone that was going to buy it, and because I gave it to him, he decided not to buy it, I agree 100% that that hurts the holder of the copywright, and should be illegal. But, a lot of times, the person I give the copy to was NOT going to buy it, but since I gave him the copy, he liked it so much, he bought it. So in that respect, filesharing helps the copywright holder. I believe that like all technologies, filesharing could be used for both good and evil.
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| | | | I agree with certain points to both sides of the issues here. What i question though is how different is this then making a cassete of a cd that my buddy gave me or a video copy of a video. Did cassetes ruin the music industry..no. For the riaa and the mpa to state that its ruining the industry is ridiculous. | |
| | | | | Re: Get real! lol tesla, we both posted at the same exact time with sort of the same idea. | |
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 alex4lifeAlex4lifePremium
join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC | Stealing is wrong, but so is gouging. The RIAA and the MPAA are both scumbag organizations, and I have ZERO support for them, or anything they do. They deserve to get screwed by all these pirates.
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| | Tesla8Norse By Norse-West
join:2001-12-18
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Get real! I've found the best cure for price gouging is to not buy the product. | |
| | | ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE Reviews:
·Internet Nebraska
| Re: Get real! said by Tesla:
I've found the best cure for price gouging is to not buy the product.
I wish more people would do that. There are too many people with the attitude, well this costs too much but I want it so bad I will pay X amount for it. Of course if a bunch of people got together and put a dent in CD sales out of price protest, you know the RIAA won't ever admit to price being the problem. It will always be because of piracy in their eyes. No win situation. Hell even when CD sales are good, they complain that they could have been better if people didn't pirate stuff...
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| | | | | | Re: Get real! said by ArchAngel21x:
said by Tesla:
I've found the best cure for price gouging is to not buy the product.
I wish more people would do that. There are too many people with the attitude, well this costs too much but I want it so bad I will pay X amount for it. Of course if a bunch of people got together and put a dent in CD sales out of price protest, you know the RIAA won't ever admit to price being the problem. It will always be because of piracy in their eyes. No win situation. Hell even when CD sales are good, they complain that they could have been better if people didn't pirate stuff...
If people stop buying movies/music becouse prices are too high and content is crap, MP/RIAA will blame the online piracy. Don't you plp get it, whatever goes wrong for MP/RIAA they have easy way to explain-it's those online pirates-let's pass another law, ban cd-burners, force encryption and copy-protection on every device, etc.
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| | Intelectual property is as it exists today is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The real theives are the mpaa, who in effect are ripping off society with their abuse of our legal system and crimp on innovation.
What is really going to hurt America more: Loss of tax dollars through piracy, or the waste of (expensive) court time by the mpaa with useless lawsuits and congressional time through unconstitutional legislation that will just get repealed in a short time when everyone wakes up to the fact that the mpaa are just a bunch of crooks?
I ask you, would you prefer organized mafia style criminals like our pal "Jack" or 31337 script kiddies who are probably not even voters yet?
If you ask me, i think im more scared of the mafia. | |
| |  levI think there is a target on my backPremium,Ex-mod 2002-08
join:2001-05-30
Chicago, IL
kudos:2
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Get real! said by cidhigh42:
Intelectual property is as it exists today is unconstitutional, pure and simple.
Intellectual property laws are unconstitutional? So we shouldn't reward people who create, or give them incentive to do more of the same? I disagree. Your position, in the long run, is precisely why communism doesn't encourage people to produce.
What in your life have you created that's worth stealing, or copying, cidhigh? Going far-fetched in the debate... what if someday someone took some DNA from your kid, and made a clone? Nobody's hurt, right? So that would be okay. Right?
Ideas, and the execution of them are offspring of ourselves. Do I like the movie or record industry policies? Hell no. Doesn't give me the right to take what's not mine. Because somebody poured their heart into writing a script. Someone else worked 90-hour weeks editing a movie. All along the way, people put pieces of themselves into the work. It's their say on what's done with it way before it's yours.
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Edited... changed product to produce.
[text was edited by author 2002-05-13 11:21:54] | |
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 gnoles
join:2001-05-16
Cleveland, AL | I buy a ton of used DVD's, does RIAA/MPAA lose money? You're dang right they do, I don't buy new because the cost is too high. I'd give odds that a lot of other people on the internet shop EBay and other such sources for the same reason. Pirates may be causing a problem with music sales, but I give two to one that the reselling of used media is a bigger chunk of the disappearing revenue. {Sarcasm engaged} Let's ban Ebay next!
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|  removedPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
kudos:36 | Ummm...
Can y'all tell that he just used proxies and whatnot to make his posts better?
Can we say, "LAMER!"?
oWn | |
| | ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | Re: Get real! said by oWn3d:
Ummm...
Can y'all tell that he just used proxies and whatnot to make his posts better?
Can we say, "LAMER!"?
oWn
He did what??? | |
| | | removedPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
kudos:36 | Re: Get real! said by ArchAngel21x:
said by oWn3d:
Ummm...
Can y'all tell that he just used proxies and whatnot to make his posts better?
Can we say, "LAMER!"?
oWn
He did what???
He's OBVIOUSLY using proxies to "agree" with himself..
WHat a dick!
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| tklown
join:2000-09-17
Sayreville, NJ | ROFL yeah! He had like -10 on most of his posts before, then when I looked at it again he was normal. I was like wtf? That many people could not have liked what he said
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nanofeverLiberal Democrats, You Know We're Right
join:2001-08-19
Modesto, CA | said by HonestOne:
Get a life people!
You would be suprised how much that hurts coming from somebody who used a proxy to pump up their post rating. | |
|  NPire
join:2001-05-01
New York, NY
| It sounds like RIAA/MPAA propaganda got to someone... I hope you don't really believe that they are ripping everyone off because of piracy.
[text was edited by author 2002-05-13 00:49:19] | |
|  quientusSo Red ShoesPremium
join:2000-08-11
San Jose, CA | so.. i souldnt steal watermelons? | |
| ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | I work for the Farmers For America Association (FFAA) and I don't like all this talk about stealing/copying food  | |
| | | For the record, I didnt post as Hate_Thieves behind a proxy. That would be stupid. Whoever Hate_Thieves is, he or she was someone else. Probably another member of DSLR who didnt want to make his or her real account known. Funny how some of you are surprised someone would actually side with me that stealing is wrong.
Clearly Im outnumbered by posting moral and what I thought to be logical messages in a place where everyone appears to be hellbent to screwing rich companies out of money because they have the cash and you dont. Its bad morals like that that we pass along to the next generations, making this world a place of greed and hatred as time goes on. When people rally together to bash someone who tries to stand up for the right thing, then its indeed a sad world we live in.
So go ahead, make yourselves happy. Give me another 20 thumbs down to go along with all the other messages Ive posted. Then brag some more about stealing and you can applaud each other and give each other thumbs up for your "coolness".
Congratulations on being so cool and great. Now go steal something.... | |
| | | | Re: Get real! Excuse me while I repost something I said in another thread that I think needs mentioning here:
"Rather silly argument if you ask me. For one Spiderman has gotten an incredible amount of bootleg exposure out there and look where actual ticket sales have gone. Last I checked Spiderman hauled in $171 million on it's first 8 days and will likely hit $200 million by the end of the weekend. Spiderman is breaking box office records. Star Wars Ep 1 broke box office records back when it was released in theatres despite the exact same kinds of "illegal" Internet exposure. I'm sorry. I just don't see where internet bootlegging is making any difference to movie sales. In fact it might be helping sales."
Spiderman has made $223.6 million so far. They did that in TEN DAYS!! No movie has EVER hit that mark even when you include inflation values for movies done in the past. I see absolutely no reason why the MPAA should be crying over a few people grabbing what often can be a grossly inferior copy of a movie when they are hitting record sales. I actually know someone who did that with Resident Evil and Blade 2. He saw the bootleg and liked those movies enough to go see it in the theatre.
Remember the cheap lame farts out there wouldn't pay to see anything and would spend much of their efforts finding ways to get a free ride will ALWAYS be like that. That's why they are lame. But you are talking about a much smaller percentage of people than the MPAA or even the RIAA want to admit. There are many many more people out there who will gladly pay for the real deal no matter how easy it is to see a stolen knock off.
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| | | levI think there is a target on my backPremium,Ex-mod 2002-08
join:2001-05-30
Chicago, IL
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Get real! said by SRFireside:
"I just don't see where internet bootlegging is making any difference to movie sales. In fact it might be helping sales."
Even if you could prove that it's helping, WHICH YOU CAN'T, it's still not your product to do with what you'd like. If I find someone I don't know waxing my car, that I left on my driveway, without asking me, I'll chase them away when I see them, and call the police if they won't go. My car, my choice. Don't go trying to do people or companies favors they don't ask for. While you choose to think illegal distribution might help increase revenues, I believe that philosophy is just thieves grasping at straws, trying to quench the small amount of guilt they still feel. | |
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| | | said by HonestOne:
Clearly Im outnumbered by posting moral and what I thought to be logical messages in a place where everyone appears to be hellbent to screwing rich companies out of money because they have the cash and you dont.
There are no morals...only dollars. | |
| | | | In response to HonestOne
For the record, I didnt post as Hate_Thieves behind a proxy. That would be stupid. Whoever Hate_Thieves is, he or she was someone else. Probably another member of DSLR who didnt want to make his or her real account known. Funny how some of you are surprised someone would actually side with me that stealing is wrong.
Clearly Im outnumbered by posting moral and what I thought to be logical messages in a place where everyone appears to be hellbent to screwing rich companies out of money because they have the cash and you dont. Its bad morals like that that we pass along to the next generations, making this world a place of greed and hatred as time goes on. When people rally together to bash someone who tries to stand up for the right thing, then its indeed a sad world we live in.
So go ahead, make yourselves happy. Give me another 20 thumbs down to go along with all the other messages Ive posted. Then brag some more about stealing and you can applaud each other and give each other thumbs up for your "coolness".
Congratulations on being so cool and great. Now go steal something....
Well, I think before I give you a big thumbs down for that post, I think I'll give you a big middle finger up. | |
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| | Let's not argue, but instead leech as much as possible, as long as possible.
Just kidding.
=)
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| Myko2K
join:2002-04-28
Aurora, CO | You know, I wouldn't complain if I were them...
We're in a recession, yet we have movies busting box office records, monitarily.
Just think, if our economy was booming right now, what SpiderMan might have done.
They're too one-sided.
I'm not condoning theft (Don't laugh at me... HEH) I'm simply saying, the damage done by online piracy isn't nearly as severe as they make it out to be... From an earlier post I laid down some accurate statistics.
Of all the people in the US that're online, and those of which that have broadband, and those of which that know where to get the product, yadda yadda... We're looking at about 3% of internet users here...
Boil that down, 99% of that 3% have to fit this criteria.
Broadband, knowledge of where and how to get it, knowledge of how to use it.
I'd hate to break it to you, but just because this is the information age, it doesn't mean that everyone is using the information available to them.
You could take it even further down. Of those 3% that do have the knowledge and know how... Maybe .5% of them are too honest to do so... OR, download it to see if they should bother seeing it in the theatre... Which I have done on NUMEROUS occasions. So, that 2.5% of users... Wow look at them hurting the RIAA/MPAA..
they r hurt us so bayed  | |
| | | Intelectual property laws (i.e. DMCA, and hopefully not DMCA 2.0) are unconstitutional, in that they conflict with the 1st amendment in taking intelectual property protection far beyond what the framers would have considered the boundry of 1st amendment violation.
If a law is not in harmony with the constitution, it is unconstitutional, thats all. Im not what you'd call a "strict constructionalist" by any means, but i think the 1st amendment is just too sacred. | |
| | ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE Reviews:
·Internet Nebraska
| Re: Get real! said by cidhigh42:
(i.e. DMCA, and hopefully not DMCA 2.0) are unconstitutional, in that they conflict with the 1st amendment in taking intelectual property protection far beyond what the framers would have considered the boundry of 1st amendment violation.
How exactly are they taking the protection beyond the original purpose? Examples. I am not asking to get into an argument, I am curious.
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