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kevinds
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Re: Court rejects Bell, Rogers appeals of CRTC decision on Internet Wholesale

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How does The Canadian Press spins something horrible into... I dunno, business as usual?

Most media outlets are owned by the same big three...

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Ian Scott is the current chair. He's an ex-Telus exec:
»Government to name industry veteran Ian Scott as new head of the CRTC scott

The last chair was Jean-Pierre Blais. He's the pro-consumer Chair you are thinking of. Even Blais wasn't completely wonderful .. there was a lot of time spent on superficial pro-consumer stuff, distracting from the important job of building a sensible foundation for the future.

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Probably another 2 years until they tell us they need to study the market more regarding FTTH for the other companies ;(
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Oh boy... so maybe it wont be 2 years lol.


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May 27th (Thursday this week) 4pm Eastern, the CRTC has scheduled a release.

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said by tlhingan_:

May 27th (Thursday this week) 4pm Eastern, the CRTC has scheduled a release.

Wow not even on a friday, as to bury the news in the weekend news cycle.
Lantase
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said by HiVolt:

Wow not even on a friday, as to bury the news in the weekend news cycle.

Hopefully, that means it will be good news for customers finally instead of shareholders.
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Balanced decision making means no party will be happy with the decision... Just saying.
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Don't worry, unless Bibic wants to gloat, we won't likely hear about it from CTV et al... Except if he wants to whine about the unfair ruling, "I'm taking my network investment and going home!".

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said by Glen T:

Balanced decision making means no party will be happy with the decision... Just saying.

I think you are right

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said by Glen T:

Balanced decision making means no party will be happy with the decision... Just saying.

That is ok...

But sometimes asinine decisions are made that nobody is happy with either.
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Really, at the risk of sounding like our PM, these should be decisions that virtually make themselves. Unlike earlier years, there is evidence to show them where the rates should be: Fizz, Virgin, etc.

Given their rates, and the fixed costs of running such a business (utilities, equipment, support and NOC staff, etc), the access rates must be some less-than-100 percentage of those providers' lowest rates for each speed grade. Also, given that Virgin offers their service over fibre, the decision carries over to wholesale fibre as well. Since they can afford to offer services at their advertised rates, the wholesale rates must reflect that. So, realising this, the bright minds at the CRTC have crunched the numbers and prepared the rulings (yes, both) and will announce them today. Either that, or Scott must be fired for incompetence and/or collusion.
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Asinine is still relative to your prospective. Asinine could be, "We give up. Do whatever the hell you want." Or it could be, "People are better off without the Internet. Shut it all down." But some would welcome either decision.

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said by Lantase:

Hopefully, that means it will be good news for customers finally instead of shareholders.

Decision was already balanced before industry gummed the works. What make you think it will remain so?
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The bottom line is, prices are never going to go down. Look at the failure of channel choice regs in cable TV world. Sure you can buy the five channels that you wanted outside a bundle -- for $19.95 each...
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So... 15 min countdown?
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14...but who's counting?!
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i've got a set of balloon for a positive case, and a bottle of cheap vodka to get drunk in case of a negative decision.

7!

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Let's just start a new thread for the actual decision though eh?

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»www.canada.ca/en/radio-t ··· ces.html
»crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2 ··· -181.htm

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Never mind already posted
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So... am I reading this right and that it's essentially status Quo and there's no drop at all?
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About as bad as it could be. Total walk back.
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Yup, had a quick look at the tables and it looks like we got completely hosed.
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Wow, and to top it off they'll likely still deny IISP to FTTP
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If it's so bad, why is it presented as a victory for small providers ?

»www.lapresse.ca/affaires ··· 2016.php
»www.theglobeandmail.com/ ··· nternet/
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said by superduper:

If it's so bad, why is it presented as a victory for small providers ?

»www.lapresse.ca/affaires ··· 2016.php
»www.theglobeandmail.com/ ··· nternet/

Yeah the quebec paper article says 2016 rates upheld, I’m not seeing the big downside here. Reading the decision myself, it also appears like the commission acknowledges the disputes, but still upholds past decisions.

Teddy Boom when you’re ready would love to hear your thoughts?
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said by tekcat:

Yeah the quebec paper article says 2016 rates upheld, I’m not seeing the big downside here. Reading the decision myself, it also appears like the commission acknowledges the disputes, but still upholds past decisions.

Teddy Boom when you’re ready would love to hear your thoughts?

In 2019 the CRTC made another ruling the drastically dropped all of the prices on capacity and flatted all of the access rates. If I read it correctly the CRTC just essentially reversed the 2019 decision.
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LMAO! Can't say I'm surprised though. Par for the course.

»mobilesyrup.com/2021/05/ ··· GhfBrOfo
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said by Gratton:

How do these new rates compare to the 2016 interim rate decision?