 Nero534
join:2001-10-12
South Bend, IN | Pissed I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer. |
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 mags2Agent Provocateur
join:2001-07-19
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I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer.
Sounds like a plan but a few minor details you may want to consider: 1)who ya gonna call if/when that new CD crashes & burns your firmware? Just for kicks & chuckles why dontcha call Sony's 800# and determine how long you're on hold and how much of a run around theyre going to give you for any kind of service, not just calling to complain about a CD and demand the company purchase a new pc for you.
People spout off until it comes time to put action behind words and Sony knows that it can just blow off threats like yours. Anyone who has ever had to contact any company's customer service department can easily and without the slightest hesitation attest to that.
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amoiseyevWent For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA | reply to Nero534
said by Nero534:
I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer.
Well, it's very uncertain. They wrote "will not work on computer" on the label and DID NOT put "CD-audio" logo on the disk, so you can't state that they sold you a CD.
The fact, that some 5.25" round piece of glass causes your computer to die doesn't mean that manufacturer of this piece is at fault.
It's more likely if you put metal cup in microwave oven to reheat something - microwave will blow out and nobody is at fault but you.
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Here's a way to solve that problem entirely. Absolutely, positively, without fail, REFUSE to purchase any of their products. Not only that, write an editorial, contact the States AG, the BBB, anyone who'll listen.
Personally, I say F*** YOU SONY! This just ensures that I will never buy one of their products ever again. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time i even wanted to buy, and / or listen to a CD, what with the tripe they're putting out now.
Also, if enough people have that CD frag their firmware, I would be really amused to see a class-action brought to bear on $ony for replacement pcs...
Piss on them...and their electronics too. 
Peace
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 Armada1Heat Miser
join:2001-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to amoiseyev
said by amoiseyev:
Well, it's very uncertain. They wrote "will not work on computer" on the label and DID NOT put "CD-audio" logo on the disk, so you can't state that they sold you a CD.
Nope, courts follow the walks like a duck, and talks like a duck rule... If they sell it in the CD section, in a CD box, and marketed just like a CD, no fine print will get them off the hook. |
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amoiseyevWent For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA | said by Armada1:
If they sell it in the CD section, in a CD box, and marketed just like a CD, no fine print will get them off the hook.
Yes, it looks like CD - that's all. They removed a logo, print a label and few articles mention that they always use words "disk" or "music disk" instead of "CD" or "audio CD" in their marketing materials. Sony and others already have a warning from Philips that they illegally use term "CD-audio" with protected CDs that do not met red-book-specs, so I'm sure Sony is prepared and noone can prove that they "market them as CDs".
If they are sold in CD-section, THAT may be a misrepresentation, but in this case it's a reseller fault. So, instead of a case "world vs. Sony" you'll get a case "John Doe vs. KMart" that will not hurt Sony.
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 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | reply to Armada1
Unfortunately Sony is following the "tough crap" rule.
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you. They make no apologies for them crashing a PC. Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy.
Now I ask, if they are all about the artist getting paid, and the presence of copy protection kills sales of a disc, and therefore their profits as well as the artist's cut, would they take notice?
K.
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amoiseyevWent For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA | said by GlobalMind:
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you...
Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy.
Ok, what if I just wanted to play music and did not notice the fine print label?
It may be not the argument for the court, but from the moral point of view what they do is a lie and smells bad.
As to "war on piracy", see my other post in this thread - I'm sure this will increase the piracy instead of stopping it. If I play music only on PC, and they do not sell "normal CDs" that I can play, I have NO WAY but get pirated copy (if I want to listen it, of course).They make it not the question "buy legal or pirate", but plain "listen or not" for many of computer users. The result is obvious - many people who (for any reason) have never used illegal copies will be forced to do that - and Sony calls it "a war on piracy?"
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quote:
Unfortunately Sony is following the "tough crap" rule.
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you. They make no apologies for them crashing a PC. Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy
And i suggest that we retaliate with the "tough crap" consumer rule. What we should do is refuse to support -- financially, morally, etc -- anything that $ony sells, produces, has a hand in, contributes to, donates to, markets, steals, you get my drift. And that means anything! Now this would involve actually using your consumer brain, and doing some research before you go out and impulsively buy that fancy-schmancy stereo receiver, or that very nifty laptop with the little camera built into it. I realize that for today's modern american, using the brains for something other than a filtration device for the pabulum and sputum that comes streaming in from the "idiot box" is quite a hassle, but bear with it.
The ONLY way we as consumers can put an end to this tripe is to let these corporate monoliths know that we're not going to stand for their overt tactics at screwing us out of our hard earned money; and the only way to do that? DON'T BUY ANYTHING THEY MAKE! Buying a WEGA TV and then bitching about a copy-protection scheme built into it is a bit retarded, don't you think?
Moreover, who the hell listens to Celine Dion anyway?!?!?! 
Peace - and $ony, M$, etc - go screw yourselves, you won't get my dollars!
Peace again
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dbarc
join:2000-01-22
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to amoiseyev
said by amoiseyev:
Yes, it looks like CD - that's all. They removed a logo, print a label and few articles mention that they always use words "disk" or "music disk" instead of "CD" or "audio CD" in their marketing materials. Sony and others already have a warning from Philips that they illegally use term "CD-audio" with protected CDs that do not met red-book-specs, so I'm sure Sony is prepared and noone can prove that they "market them as CDs".
If they are sold in CD-section, THAT may be a misrepresentation, but in this case it's a reseller fault. So, instead of a case "world vs. Sony" you'll get a case "John Doe vs. KMart" that will not hurt Sony.
...If they distribute them to CD markets and through the same channels, then it seems they would be hard pressed for them to dispute that aren't marketing them as CD's. Instead of attempting to boycott, which probably won't work, it might be interesting to follow the lead by Phillips that has already required the removal of the CD logo and the warning on using audio-CD. Possibly time to get the FTC involved? If it looks like a CD, marketed like a CD, packaged like a CD, but ISN"T a CD, IMHO (though IANAL), it seems there's a chance the FTC would find them using deceptive marketing practices, yes? If they couldn't market through the same distribution channels they use for their CD's, and needed a new structure, packaging, and distribution (to other than audio cd stores) it might have a lot better impact than attempting to boycott. If they HAD to package in some off sized, non-confusing packaging and couldn't be displayed with CD's (which wouldn't fit the display cases at that point anyway), the CD stores would have large costs setting up different display areas and purchasing new display cases, if they were permitted to sell through CD audio stores anyway. ???
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I agree wholeheartedly. A boycott won't, in reality, work, simply because we, as americans have become nothing more than mindless cattle, willing to be lead by the corporate megoliths and do their bidding. Well, I for one, am sick and tired of their bully tactics, their disregard for ethics and their "supposed" customers. My child can whine all he wants about the latest and greatest PS game, etc, but he isn't going to get it.
As a matter of fact, I think I'll go home, kill my tv, dispose of all that mind-numbing garbage, non-creative tripe, and either send the kid outside to play, or play with him on the computer -- teaching him how to use his brain, and not his wallet. At least with a computer, I am able to refute and contribute on a creative, semi-literate level with others, exercise my brain, and not be fed mindless drivel by the corporate masses (i.e. cretins).
Peace
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 BrendanWarr Guitar is here
join:2000-07-14
Littleton, CO | reply to amoiseyev
If it doesn't carry the official "Compact Disc" label, it is not a CD, and should not be marketed as such. There should be a distinct section specifically for these pieces of garbage; separating them from REAL CD's.
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I agree with you 100%. AMEN! |
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 BellBoySteven Paul Jobs 1955-2011Premium
join:2001-02-20
Los Angeles, CA | reply to GlobalMind
said by GlobalMind:
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you. They make no apologies for them crashing a PC. Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about...
I'm sure a lot of us, me included, listen to CDs on their computers at work as well as home. So I should sit there and let Sony take out a workstation or laptop that, not only doesn't belong to me (work machines), stores information that if lost could lose me my job (not to mention the cost to the company to repair it)? Maybe I don't own a CD player at home...maybe it broke and I need to use my computer instead--whatever!
I say to any Mac users and/or lawyers out there: if you want some quick satisfaction (and money), band together to stop this SH!T now. Class-action their @$$es until it hurts! Send them to hell along with their "copy protection"...
There is NO EXCUSE for software publishers (of any kind) to build a technology that causes harm to a consumer's computer and then not take responsibility for their actions.
My .02
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 JigsawStardust We ArePremium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | reply to methuselah1879
said by methuselah1879:
Here's a way to solve that problem entirely. Absolutely, positively, without fail, REFUSE to purchase any of their products. Not only that, write an editorial, contact the States AG, the BBB, anyone who'll listen.
Personally, I say F*** YOU SONY! This just ensures that I will never buy one of their products ever again. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time i even wanted to buy, and / or listen to a CD, what with the tripe they're putting out now.
Also, if enough people have that CD frag their firmware, I would be really amused to see a class-action brought to bear on $ony for replacement pcs...
Piss on them...and their electronics too.
Peace
The sad thing is There will always be someone buying it.People are sheep most of the time and the corps know it and they just herd them around.Its sad to say the least and they prey on younger people(MTV)To get there bottom line.They know Mommy or Daddy will buy them(insert stupid boy/Girl act here)For them. |
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Nero534
join:2001-10-12
South Bend, IN | Well in my opinion if something causes my computer crash and they willing know it is there to make it crash, I would classify it as a virus. Which is illiegal (sp?) |
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>no fine print will get them off the hook.
That is gonna cost you a lot of money in lawyer fees to even find that out. Just spend your time RIPPING all the media you can get your hands on and sharing it on Kazaa.
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It's probably a safe bet on my part you haven't run a large company successfully in your past?? If you think the prevailing thought among corporate execs is 'to hell with the little man', just look at the bombed out landscape of failed companies over the past 2 years. They did just that: forgot who their customers were. ANY company, no matter how large, is destined for failure if they forget who their customers are.... |
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 StonehawkStay Low And Let It BlowPremium
join:2001-05-17
Deerfield, WI
kudos:1 | reply to GlobalMind
Well, seeing Sony and their "tough crap" feelings is really starting to piss me off now. Here they are saying that if you try and use it in a computer you must be a pirate, then they turn around and sell a product that allows you to rip CD's right onto a hard drive equipped mini system. Reference the latest Popular Science magazine for details.
Come on Sony, you cant have it both ways (or maybe you can if you are a big enough company)
Stay safe all....
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BrendanWarr Guitar is here
join:2000-07-14
Littleton, CO | reply to deltapi
said by deltapi:
ANY company, no matter how large, is destined for failure if they forget who their customers are....
That isn't true at all. Look at Chrysler. They build mediocre to poor vehicles, and they're still in business. Why? The government bailed them out at taxpayer expense. Look at the RIAA, lobbying for taxpayer support to pay its legal fees. Look at the airline industry, crying to Uncle Sam because they might lose their shirts. If you're big enough, voluntary consumer dollars truely do not matter (or lack thereof, with boycotts). They will just *force* the consumer to keep them in business via government bailouts.
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