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Re: YIKES So one day over two year ago Carnivore in a single incident intercepted what it was supposed to and something it wasn't. The FBI tech picked up on it right away and notified the boss. The problem was addressed. The improperly obtained email was destroyed.
Boy what a fiasco of a technological and civil rights breakdown. Big Brother and technology run amok! Frankly, I just can't see such a disaster prone scenario justifying a system that might effectively fight crime, terrorism and save lives.
Next thing you know we will find out that people have at times been wrongly arrested by the police and charged with a crime they didn't commit, that there are innocent people in jail and innocent people have been executed--or worse than just executed, had their civil rights violated by being wrongly executed. The wrongly executed part would, of course be the lesser of the two evils.
Two wrongs sure don't make a right but it doesn't make the two wrongs equal either. Perspective. It is all about perspectives--cost versus benefits.
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dbarc
join:2000-01-22
Fort Wayne, IN | I think the problem that will arise is that the event, which was described in a memo in March 2000, happened prior to July, 2000 testimony before Congress that 'We do not deploy (Carnivore) in a way that exceeds the court order'. It gets further complicated by an unnamed person from DOJ stating that the emails weren't destroyed. (What'd they do, simply 'undelete', meaning all the uncovered email was also recovered?)
I feel for the agent involved. He panicked, for whatever reason, and probably ends up being a scapegoat in this one. I think the above is where the eyes need to be focused. A procedure in place for 'when' events like that occur with a way to insure uncovered data isn't viewed/retained and fessing up to what happened vs. testimony that things like that would 'never happen' (the old 'never say never' argument) would help the credibility vs. hurting it which this will likely do; and at this time they need all the credibility they can get, unfortunately. |
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 pupowskiPremium
join:2002-03-22
Vancouver, WA | reply to SAM Hunter$
said by Lost in Space:
Next thing you know we will find out that people have at times been wrongly arrested by the police and charged with a crime they didn't commit, that there are innocent people in jail and innocent people have been executed-----
Thats been happening for years. Our justice system is a national disgrace.
»www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/05/···46.shtml
»www.csdp.org/news/news/corruption.htm
»www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopk···dal.html
»sundaygazettemail.com/news/Valle···2012740/ |
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| Well see, there you go! Thats incredible! You would have ever believed such a thing possible?
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 MowerMan5Premium
join:2001-04-07
Fort Worth, TX | reply to pupowski
hey, pupowski... I've read several of your posts. Do you have a positive outlook on ANYTHING???
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pupowskiPremium
join:2002-03-22
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hey, pupowski... I've read several of your posts. Do you have a positive outlook on ANYTHING???
Of course I do, but that shouldn't concern you one way or the other, since this is a technology forum, not a personality test.
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MowerMan5Premium
join:2001-04-07
Fort Worth, TX | no concern... just a cynical question stemming from a personal observation.
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