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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to MacLeech
Re: Emhinkes "Adelphia didn't launch Century's cable modem plan, they stopped that plan, redesigned, budgeted, and rebuilt with loftier goals in mind. The type of rebuild Adelphia's been doing usually doubles the equipment needed at the street level cabling, all of it having to be placed either on poles or in cabinets, all of it needing more power than before."
Sounds like Adelphia didn't do their homework here first. These plans were probably approved by the city already....sigh....And their goals, while loftier, obviously weren't planned by people who knew that the company would be bankrupt shortly. You think Perron knew this 3 months ago when he said we'd have Powerlink within 60 days in West LA? Was that genuine or lip service? That's the problem with lying.... I'll never trust Adelphia... never.... They haven't earned it. Lemme guess...another 60 days?
For that matter, why wasn't Adelphia forthcoming about what the delays were from? It took the Los Angeles Times to get to the bottom of this. Why the years of lies?
Again, if my phone goes out, I'm not gonna call the DWP and ask them to fix it. Adelphia either didn't know, or they did know and intentionally lied about their progress in our market. (Financials, Rollout Progress, what's the difference?)
"5)Permit may expire after 6 months without job being done."
I like fine print..... So here's something in the fine print.... Let's start that clock.... Sigh. Now this is something you can blame on Adelphia, and not the city. Hey man, rules are rules.
Current blame and prior blame... It's important to know the difference. What a shame Adelphia left themselves in a piss-poor state so that they probably can't even fix my digital cable should it break. That's a load on their shoulders... no one else's.
"How do you think Adelphia could have worked around the moratoriums? "
Clout.... If Rigas had done even 1/10th of what he did in Coudersport in terms of money and clout, we'd have our cable modem. It's all about give and take.... and all Rigas did was take.
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 MacLeechThe one and onlyPremium
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
kudos:3 | said by emhinkes:
Sounds like Adelphia didn't do their homework here first. These plans were probably approved by the city already....sigh....And their goals, while loftier, obviously weren't planned by people who knew that the company would be bankrupt shortly.
Adelphia did their homework, realized that the all-coax system in place was antiquated and didn't have enough bandwidth, so they engineered a replacement HFC system which would allow advanced services. But, now you believe that Adelphia knew it might have to declare bankruptcy back in 1999 so it shouldn't have gone about replacing the previously existing system?
said by emhinkes:
For that matter, why wasn't Adelphia forthcoming about what the delays were from? It took the Los Angeles Times to get to the bottom of this. Why the years of lies?
Why wasn't Adelphia forthcoming? Probably a combination marketing worries, politics, and expectations of the City Council letting the moratorium expire.
Adelphia didn't want to annouce: "Due to the fact the LA City Council has implimented a moratorium, designed to slow or stop the upgrades for the city's telecommunication systems, we won't be able to offer you cable modem service, expanded channel selection, or digital TV services for at least a few years or whenever the city council decides to let us install the equipment necassary."
Adelphia might has well have said: "The city screwed us and doesn't want Adelphia to provide you better service, please go to your nearest DBS provider for service."
said by emhinkes:
Again, if my phone goes out, I'm not gonna call the DWP and ask them to fix it.
No I wouldn't call the DWP to fix my phone (or cable or cellphone for that matter) either. But I'm sure if Verizon, Sprint, Cingular, Adelphia, or any other telecom provider was needing power to activate additional equipment to get their customers better service they would call the DWP.
said by emhinkes:
Adelphia either didn't know, or they did know and intentionally lied about their progress in our market. (Financials, Rollout Progress, what's the difference?)
The progress was severlly curtailed by the moratorium which was extended several times in 3-6 months timeframes. Does this sound familiar at all? I'm sure had the moratorium been dropped the rebuild would have been done long ago.
As far as the difference between financials and rollouts, ask all of the people in this forum if the current Adelphia money problems has affected their launched cable modem service.
said by emhinkes:
"5)Permit may expire after 6 months without job being done."
I like fine print..... So here's something in the fine print.... Let's start that clock.... Sigh. Now this is something you can blame on Adelphia, and not the city. Hey man, rules are rules.
The permit will expire 6 months after being issued, which the City Council ordered the City Engineers and DWP to stop doing (issuing utility permits that is) back in February of 1999.
said by emhinkes:
Current blame and prior blame... It's important to know the difference.
I agree. Had the city not delayed the permiting process for the upgrades Adelphia needed to do, I'm sure you would have cable modem service by now. But the city delayed the process since 1999 and only in the last couple of months other issues had come to light that further delay the roll-out of cable modem service in your area.
Many systems in Southern California started upgrades and rebuilds around the end of 2000, most are complete now and have been providing cable modem service for months.
This makes me wonder if Adelphia could file a lawsuit against the City Council or City of Los Angeles for not allowing Adelphia to upgrade their equipment in a timely manner, thus preventing a very large amount of revenue that could have possible prevented the current cash crunch the company is having now.
said by emhinkes:
What a shame Adelphia left themselves in a piss-poor state so that they probably can't even fix my digital cable should it break. That's a load on their shoulders... no one else's.
If your worried or having problems, give them a call. Otherwise how's your service since your cable boxes were replaced?
said by emhinkes:
"How do you think Adelphia could have worked around the moratoriums? "
Clout.... If Rigas had done even 1/10th of what he did in Coudersport in terms of money and clout, we'd have our cable modem. It's all about give and take.... and all Rigas did was take.
So your comparing the political clout and money it takes to woo a small town in Pennslyvania the company helped build with the political clout and money it would take to change city policy in one of the largest, richest city's in the world?
Lets see the combination of Adelphia, Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and several of the largest telecom companies in the world couldn't or wouldn't strike down a moratorium which was costing all of them money and customers. Yet, it's kinda of funny, I believe the moratorium was authored by the Councilwoman from Los Angeles City Council District 11. That happens to be the district which covers some of the richest parts of Los Angeles, which I also think you live in (I'm not sure, I could be wrong). I don't think it would have been written unless some of the more influencial residents in the district hadn't complained about all the new equipment from the DWP and telecom companies ruining their yards. Who's money and support is worth more to the council? Who really has the clout in this situation?
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Em, I'm sorry Adelphia, Verizon, Starband and the other broadband providers have all failed you in being able to provide affordable broadband service for your personal entertainment. I'd recommend finding another source of entertainment for the the time being or pay the price for the services that are available. Other than that I can't really help your situation anymore, you seem to firmlly believe Adelphia is the devil incarnate who's only purpose as a company is to lie and piss-off the customers gulible enough to pay them. I can't change your opinions or help your current situation anymore...
Although, if you have a real problem with Adelphia services your paying for, please don't hesitate to ask for help.
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | "But, now you believe that Adelphia knew it might have to declare bankruptcy back in 1999 so it shouldn't have gone about replacing the previously existing system?"
No, I was referring to the impending moratorium. However, it's also surprising that they didn't see their impending doom either, now that you mention it.
"Why wasn't Adelphia forthcoming? Probably a combination marketing worries, politics, and expectations of the City Council letting the moratorium expire.
Adelphia didn't want to annouce: "Due to the fact the LA City Council has implimented a moratorium, designed to slow or stop the upgrades for the city's telecommunication systems, we won't be able to offer you cable modem service, expanded channel selection, or digital TV services for at least a few years or whenever the city council decides to let us install the equipment necassary."
Adelphia might has well have said: "The city screwed us and doesn't want Adelphia to provide you better service, please go to your nearest DBS provider for service."
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For once somebody actually addresses the issue. This is lip service, plain and simple. I wonder if the LA Times was involved 4 years ago, we might actually have broadband here. I find it no coincidence that the recent articles in the LA Times, my letters to Adelphia and the city council, have resulted in some significant actions/press releases in the last few months by Adelphia. Adelphia should have come out clean and explained the situation to its paying subs.... Not once in nearly 5 years have they done this. Not once! Terrible judgment on their part.
"No I wouldn't call the DWP to fix my phone (or cable or cellphone for that matter) either. But I'm sure if Verizon, Sprint, Cingular, Adelphia, or any other telecom provider was needing power to activate additional equipment to get their customers better service they would call the DWP."
The DWP wasn't causing the overall holdup here. That was a manufactured lie by Adelphia, and the first time that they actually tried to excuse the slow rollout of service, remember? Otherwise, it was silence and "6 month intervals" for over 4 years.
"The progress was severlly curtailed by the moratorium which was extended several times in 3-6 months timeframes. Does this sound familiar at all? I'm sure had the moratorium been dropped the rebuild would have been done long ago.
As far as the difference between financials and rollouts, ask all of the people in this forum if the current Adelphia money problems has affected their launched cable modem service.
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I'm sure that it was... but the issue here is that Adelphia was not being truthful and forthcoming about the reasons for the delay. As angry as I am about this lie, had I known the truth years ago, believe me, I would be just as angry at the city back then.
"This makes me wonder if Adelphia could file a lawsuit against the City Council or City of Los Angeles for not allowing Adelphia to upgrade their equipment in a timely manner, thus preventing a very large amount of revenue that could have possible prevented the current cash crunch the company is having now."
Hey, why not?
"If your worried or having problems, give them a call. Otherwise how's your service since your cable boxes were replaced?"
No problems as of yet since the boxes were replaced. I'm just hoping not to lose any channels, that's all.
Thanks for your learned postings. Please address the second one I made when you have a moment.
em
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