Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r3536994 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:46:05 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:46:05 EDT Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3580535 ravital : You are typing on a deregulated broadband? So am I. My brodaband is rarely above 1500Kbps, most of the time around 800, all too often around 400, or down altogether. What does that prove, that deregulation is better or worse? No, it proves you live in a community with more muscle than mine or that is more commercially attractive to the providers than mine. Nothing else.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3580535 Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:50:07 EDT Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3549685 keefeo : I'm an OSP Engineer for an ILEC and have to deal with these deregulation rules every day. I feel there can be advantages but the government needs to relieve the regulatory fees the ILECs have to pay. The government want what they call "parity". Then they should give every company the right to charge what they want for there services and leave it up to the consumer to choose. If they want competition then why do the CLECs automatically get the right to offer services like Long Distance and the ILECs have to jump thru a million hoops just to have the right to apply for it and ussually get denied. The CLECs don't have to pay regulatory fees to the government while the ILECs do. Plus the ILECs are spending there capitol dollars to place the fiber and copper infrastructor knowing that the CLECs will be coming behind them and utilizing them. In Chicago the cost that a CLEC has to pay an ILEC is just over 2 dollars. So if you spend $50,000 to facilitate a building and you only make 2 dollars per pair it doesn't really make it worth the ILECs time to do it.

To get to the bottom line I feel that deregulation can help consumers with costs but only if the government will let it. Let every company in the telecommunications business play on the same field. Let a company offer what ever type of service it would like to offer. Remove the regulatory fees that the ILECs have to pay. If you what competition then open the doors to everyone. By doing that it will bring newer technology to the customers because it will be worth while to create the next best thing.

One thing most people don't realize is that a CLEC has every right to place there own facilities to serve there customers but almost all don't. The reason they don't is because the payback is very small and then they must let other companies have access to it. So now they are in the ILECs shoes. Why not let the existing ILEC place the facilities for them and just utilize it when they are finished. If you sold cars wouldn't you rather buy cars from a manufacture who was forced to sell them to you for less than it costs to build it. Your profits will be greater but the consumer will suffer because quality and future technology will probably fail.

Thank You - from the inside - ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3549685 Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:44:15 EDT Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3541584 mechanicsc :
said by chex:
...and I would be stuck with crappy and slow Verizon PPPOE DSL 768/90 kbps, and I would have NO CHOICE.


Regulation is what gave you the choice on the broadband, buddy. The regulation that states that phone companies have to share their lines with competing DSL providers, etc. is the one to which I refer. The one that they are trying to get removed because cable doesn't have similar regulation.

Without the regulation, you would have NO CHOICE. Better get that Verizon modem warmed up, because if the telcos are successful in their endeavor to get that regulation lifted, you're going to be back on Verizon like it or not.

Still think deregulation is good? :)
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I have cheaper/better service telephone, internet, air fares. Instead of taking the one-size fits all approach, I can pick and choose what features I need and am willing to pay for, and what ones I don't. If there was no deregulation in these three industries, it would cost $1000 bucks to fly to San Francisco, 20 cents/minute to call New York, 1 dollar a minute to call Europe, and I would be stuck with crappy and slow Verizon PPPOE DSL 768/90 kbps, and I would have NO CHOICE.

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said by mechanicsc:
said by Nightfall:
Deregulation isn't a win-win situation for everyone.


True. It's a win-lose situation.

Deregulation is a "win" situation for companies.
Deregulation is a "lose" situation for consumers.

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said by Nightfall:
I really do not want to be stuck in a situation where I have to choose between crappy service, and semi-crappy service. I don't think anyone here would want that.
Unfortunately, that's where many of us are already, or, even worse, just have ONE choice: Crappy service, and no other option.

Now add insult to injury-- the prices are increasing while services are cutback.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3534832 Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:44:31 EDT Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3533625 mags2 :
said by Nightfall:
You changed my quotation again. I would appreciate it if you would learn to read. :)


Don't get your panties in a bunch, nightfall, I was just kidding around.
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Irrespective of whether you are prepared or not for dereg, when you preface a statement with "I think we should bite the bullet and deregulate..." well, quite frankly, that does not leave much room for interpretation. It's like saying well maybe your GF is pregnant...she either is, or she is not.


In this case, I don't have enough information to make a solid yes or no answer. Which is why I didn't say we should or shouldn't.

I can tell you I did NOT say "I think we should bite the bullet and deregulate..." You changed my quotation again. I would appreciate it if you would learn to read. :)
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I see from anecdotal experiences in GA (natural gas, local and long distance, water services) that *in general* regulation is preferable for consumer interests when the industry is historically regulated or a utility (like power, water, etc.)

As in the case of Russia when it changed abruptly from a Communist to a Capitalist economy, the barons of previously regulated industry tend to not know when to control themselves and plunder the company coffers or drastically reduce service. They just don't know how to act in a free-market environment.

With industries that are non-essential, like cars, clothes, electronics, etc, market pressure seems to drive choice. If Calvin Klein is too expensive, just buy Nautica, for example. The barons of these industries know from experience the value of a customer, and also have a greater tendency toward customer service.

The big question, is of course, "Is broadband a utility or a consumer service?"

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3533527 Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:20:30 EDT Re: Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3533417 mags2 :
said by Nightfall:
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't quote me out of context.


Irrespective of whether you are prepared or not for dereg, when you preface a statement with "I think we should bite the bullet and deregulate..." well, quite frankly, that does not leave much room for interpretation. It's like saying well maybe your GF is pregnant...she either is, or she is not. :)
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said by mags2:
said by Nightfall:
Maybe we should just bite the bullet and deregulate...


Biting the bullet and deregulate is what got California in dire straits with the power supplier pirates. You don't just hop into dereg w/o considering all of the implications and let it work itself out later. Can you even imagine the broadband landscape if dereg were to kick in and take a bite out of the industry a la the electricity debacle last year on the west coast?? The mind fairly boggles. In my mind at least, dereg of anything is bad for consumers.


Mags:
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't quote me out of context. I was not saying that we should do it. Here is my exact quote in case you didn't read it correctly.

quote:

Maybe we should just bite the bullet and deregulate, but I don't think I am ready for the shockwave effect if my broadband connection goes into the toliet just to save a few bucks.


Otherwise I agree with you 100%. You have to consider all the sides before you jump in. Just as I said above. :)
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said by Nightfall:
Maybe we should just bite the bullet and deregulate...


Biting the bullet and deregulate is what got California in dire straits with the power supplier pirates. You don't just hop into dereg w/o considering all of the implications and let it work itself out later. Can you even imagine the broadband landscape if dereg were to kick in and take a bite out of the industry a la the electricity debacle last year on the west coast?? The mind fairly boggles. In my mind at least, dereg of anything is bad for consumers.
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said by Nightfall:
Deregulation isn't a win-win situation for everyone.


True. It's a win-lose situation.

Deregulation is a "win" situation for companies.
Deregulation is a "lose" situation for consumers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3533341 Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:52:09 EDT Deregulation - Good or Bad? Sounds like both. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3533318 Nightfall : After reading the article a few times, I have come to some conclusions.

First, deregulation has its ups and downs. Deregulation isn't a win-win situation for everyone. If it was, there wouldn't be such a thing. The cost of deregulation results in poor customer service, overall service, and support. Although, the prices are cheaper.

Second, who can tell how the broadband industry is going to turn out? It may end up being the exception to the rule. Then again, it could end up being on the list of some of the worst deregulation stories that are still be written for airlines, banks, and other utilites.

All I know is this. I WILL NOT pay for substandard service. My broadband connection is excellent and I would not pay for anything less. If the cost were to go up, I would even pay a little more for superb service. I really do not want to be stuck in a situation where I have to choose between crappy service, and semi-crappy service. I don't think anyone here would want that.

Is deregulation right for broadband? I can't answer that question. However, the article does a good job pointing out the negatives. I have read other articles pointing out the postives. Maybe we should just bite the bullet and deregulate, but I don't think I am ready for the shockwave effect if my broadband connection goes into the toliet just to save a few bucks.
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