Re: Here's an idea in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r3563611 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:29:27 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:29:27 EDT Re: Here's an idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3563675 BrianDamage : I know it was not specifically directed at me, but piracy existed prior to the 1990s.
Realize this. I remember back in the early 70s when VCRs came out what a mess these same folks started trying to quash that technology, citing the same reasons.
As was stated in another post, I agree that Hollywood and the music companies, instead of embracing technology and evolving with it, and learning to manage it so as to continue on making money, would instead choose to fight the new advances, and continue on the way things have been.
This reminds me of the way the ILECs would choose to drive on as well, for comparison's sake.
P2P could very well be utilized to advance their causes as well as those who are content with stealing property.
The reason I suggested timestamping is so that both sides would have ample opportunity to have at music, video, etc., while satisfying both sides' arguments, and while also respecting fair use rights of consumers.
Patents work in this way. A company has the unalienable right to do what they want with an idea, market it, sell it, etc., for 7 years I think, after which time it expires and the ideas come under competitive pressure, thereby leading other companies to market the product or service, creating a competitive environment, while respecting intellectual right for a reasonable period of time, as well as that of fair use and competition, and, respecting anti-trust legislation.
It was a compromise so that the developing company would have REASONABLE opportunity to make money off their invention or idea.
The same logic could be applied to this argument. I will concede that my ideas is very basic in idealogy, and would require much tweaking, but it could work, if both sides would reasonably sit down and work it out, which is the hardest part.
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Actually copyright lasts for 75 years after the author's death.
Since a corporation is an entity that "never dies", I wonder if they retain "eternal rights"?

Sorry, BrianDamage, I don't think a "time stamp" is the answer, nor do I consider it fair. Provided the price is fair, $1 p/song, the quality and speed of the download excellent, I have no problem paying my fair share. These people deserve to make a profit from their work.

This is not directed to BrianDamage:
As I stated in another post, however, there will remain to be those who want "something for nothing", and will continue piracy even if prices are reduced to a reasonable level. Their greed will be of no lesser degree than the existing Industry's stance, and will be just as harmful to the average user.
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Regarding copyright, I have understood that copyright expired after the author's death, but I will investigate.
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First, patents exist on various products for a period of seven years or so. Copyrights exist until the composer dies, from what I understand.
So, a proposal based on examples of how other intellectual property are protected could be made.
This is what I'm thinking:
The technology exists to put timestamps on software, etc. So, I think a compromise could be reached. It doesn't matter if the argument is about music, software, etc.
The solution is to put a timestamp, on the product in question (music CD, software, movies,etc.), to the effect of 18 months, for example.
After the 18 month period expires, and the media company has had a REASONABLE opportunity to charge their obscene prices for the product, then the protection expires, and fair use rights can then be exercised without repercussion, and file sharing such as P2P would be left alone.
Any file sharing or dissemination prior to the timestamp on the product should be inherently illegal and enforced scrupulously.
This way, when the back door copies of Spider-man make it to Morpheus, etc., and it is discovered, then the offending parties can be prosecuted, under a FAIR system of protection and enforcement, up until the time the timestamp expires. After that time, 18 months or so will have transpired, the movie will have made its' billions around the world, and the media companies are happy. After that time, people would be free to distribute that movie and anything else that is timestamp expired to any one they choose in any way they choose.
This would also free up manufacturers from having to meet the insane demands of Hollywood to protect their wares at the manufacturer's expense.
It would also free up oversight resources to concentrate on other things that are more pressing, like broadband issues.
It was just a thought I had.
BTW, this idea is copyrighted for seven years. :)
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