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| Switch I predict Palladium is going to be a resounding failure. Microsoft has continually proven that security comes last, with profit being their only motive. Along with Xbox's continuing failure, the "call home" activation feature of XP and the obvious monopoly situation -- and Mac OS X's clear superiority -- I believe Microsoft's days are numbered. Not to mention the flagrant holes and buggy software Microsoft releases. If Apple plays their cards right I think we'll see more and more new Mac users in coming years. They spent $75 million on the new Switch campaign. And no, none of the individuals in the commercials or ad campaign were paid. They're all people like me... people who are fed up with Microsoft's business practices and their buggy, insecure piece of shit operating systems.
Let me ask you this, would you put your trust in Microsoft? | |
| Doesn't Microsoft own a substantial ($100,000,000 +) stake in Apple? Wasn't Apple more or less forced, disregarding the issue and causes of Netscape's then clouded viability, to bundle IE as their default browser and Outlook as the default e-mail program in a deal to obtain assured future availability, development and compatibility of MS Office products for Macintosh from Microsoft? Didn't the deal, by necessity, include some cooperation on OS development and interoperability issues, and by inference, technology exchange and standards compatibility? Has even the shortest of levers, smallest of hammers, ever been overlooked by Microsoft in its' coercive quest for world domination? Can Apple, even with an influx of "fugitive" intellectual converts, successfully resist imposition of crippling technology if that means exclusion from societal and economic congress? Can the swelling tide of totalitarian initiatives embodied in the Patriot Act, Office of Homeland Security, the DMCA, Echelon, and now Palladium inundating and isolating us be successfully resisted or dissipated?
"it ain't dark yet, but it's gettin there", Dylan | |
| Good news sportsfans, Apple has since bought back *all* *non-voting* shares that Microsoft once owned.  | |
| reply to ross
said by ross:
Doesn't Microsoft own a substantial ($100,000,000 +) stake in Apple?
See my other response.
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Wasn't Apple more or less forced, disregarding the issue and causes of Netscape's then clouded viability, to bundle IE as their default browser and Outlook as the default e-mail program in a deal to obtain assured future availability, development and compatibility of MS Office products for Macintosh from Microsoft?
Incorrect. Apple decided it was necessary to enlist the aid of Microsoft around the time of Steve Jobs re-joining of Apple Inc. The mismanagement within Apple had nearly eroded the company that by the time Jobs returned he had a very uphill battle. This is when the fantastically successful iMac and the roots of OS X took shape. Jobs realized that for the immediate success of Apple they had to ensure Microsoft's support for the Macintosh platform.
It was merely a way to give Apple some much needed user confidence in the company. Apple was in debt and needed help getting afloat. Jobs has since done wonders, introducing application after application that's won awards, as well as introduced the spectacular OS X and iMac, iPod and other great Apple innovations (and won two Grammies for Apple, a first for a computer company).
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Didn't the deal, by necessity, include some cooperation on OS development and interoperability issues, and by inference, technology exchange and standards compatibility?
There was *no* OS development involved. Microsoft got only non-voting shares of Apple and got the chance to replace Netscape as the default browser for the Macintosh platform. There was also a cash loan from Microsoft to Apple, but basically nothing else. Again, there was never any OS tinkering of the Macintosh by anyone involved with Microsoft.
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Has even the shortest of levers, smallest of hammers, ever been overlooked by Microsoft in its' coercive quest for world domination? Can Apple, even with an influx of "fugitive" intellectual converts, successfully resist imposition of crippling technology if that means exclusion from societal and economic congress? Can the swelling tide of totalitarian initiatives embodied in the Patriot Act, Office of Homeland Security, the DMCA, Echelon, and now Palladium inundating and isolating us be successfully resisted or dissipated?
I surely hope so! I think I like the way you think... that is, you hate Microsoft's Borg/collective mentality, Patriot Act, Echelon, DMCA, etc. as much as I do.
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"it ain't dark yet, but it's gettin there", Dylan
Bravo.
I should add, Apple presently has a billion (no, not a typo) in the bank, is spending 75 million dollars on the Switch ad campaign, bringing out great new software and hardware innovations and frankly has never been better. They've also bought back all the non-voting stock that Microsoft owned briefly, and I believe the new systems come with Netscape installed as the default web browser. Things are looking great for the Mac side of things.
As for Microsoft... well, I think they're being sued by everyone and their mothers, and keep copying everyone... and their mothers. | |
Q Tech
join:2002-06-14
Florissant, MO | I dont quite understand all the hub-bub about the Microsoft thing. So they make WinXP, so they are the biggest seller of OS and suites on the planet. People like Windows because its easy to work with and its some-what user friendly. All the monopoly crap, hey, obviously they are doing something right if they have grown to the power the are. Billy is a smart sob,you gotta give him his due. So he creates MSTP/IP all the power to him, maybe its one step closer to a better future. I never understood why netscape and their ilk continually harass MS, netscape was never a quality item to begin with. Personally, I use IE and Opera, I use what I want and be damned the gen populous opinion. If people didnt like it they wouldnt buy it, its as easy as that. Nobody forces you to buy anything, its your choice, your burden.
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| said by Q Tech:
I dont quite understand all the hub-bub about the Microsoft thing. So they make WinXP, so they are the biggest seller of OS and suites on the planet. People like Windows because its easy to work with and its some-what user friendly. All the monopoly crap, hey, obviously they are doing something right if they have grown to the power the are. Billy is a smart sob,you gotta give him his due. So he creates MSTP/IP all the power to him, maybe its one step closer to a better future. I never understood why netscape and their ilk continually harass MS, netscape was never a quality item to begin with. Personally, I use IE and Opera, I use what I want and be damned the gen populous opinion. If people didnt like it they wouldnt buy it, its as easy as that. Nobody forces you to buy anything, its your choice, your burden.
Q Tech, tell me how many computers you've seen in mainstream computer shops that run anything other than Microsoft Windows.
Besides the very rare Macintosh one might find if one looks hard enough, most run Windows. Why, you ask? Not because it's the most popular. Because Microsoft's illegally obtained (and proven in court) monopoly and how they've for years strong-armed OEM manufacturers to only install Windows OS on their computers (or suffer financial penalties from Microsoft). Microsoft has also built an illegally obtained empire from stealing other people's ideas. Ask yourself why Microsoft is always being sued by other companies. No it's not because people are jealous, it's because Microsoft continually finds ways of ripping both other companies and the consumers off.
Look at it this way: If there was no other competition (which, in the OS department there really isn't as far as commercially bought computers go) then Microsoft is free to charge whatever they want for their systems. They could do this because they know that you and I have to buy it to use a computer. Now ask yourself this, why does Microsoft's premier OS (XP Pro) cost $299 when you can get Apple's premier OS for only $129? And with OS X you also get Mac OS 9 for free. Last I checked you don't get Windows 98 or Me with XP. Microsoft can charge so much because they have an illegally obtained monopoly. If Apple and especially open source were removed from the OS playing field then Microsoft would -- and will -- charge even more.
If you want to turn a blind eye to Microsoft's illegal business practices that's fine by me, but be prepared to literally pay the consequences later. | |
Q Tech
join:2002-06-14
Florissant, MO
| Microsoft isnt doing anything wrong, if people are willing to take the offered money then its THEIR issue. I see plenty of all types of computer manufacturers in my work, and at the stores. I think most of the people complaining about this are the ones who just dont like MS.
I understand about the prices ideology, I cannot make companies be honest and play by the rules, but if company A bribes company B to do something and B takes the offer, there is nothing I can do about their immorality. Buyer Beware, start being ACCOUNTABLE for what you buy, RESEARCH the product, UNDERSTAND the technology, and make an intelligent purchase, there are plenty of choices, it just so happens, unfortunately, that the general populous chooses MS.
Also, you wouldnt want ME, it isnt very stable, 98 is workable but still unstable, I like XP very much, and with inflated pricing, ie software, jewelry, etc, what in america is cheap, and if it was cheap, would you want it knowing that cheap means poorly made and supported? Macs are ok but they have a specific functionality: media production, other than that, I would never touch a MAC, gimme Linux or Unix anyday, but then again Linux and Unix are ONLY for those who actually know what their doing so that doesnt help the general populous either. Lack of education is the biggest reason why MS has its power.
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| said by Q Tech:
Microsoft isnt doing anything wrong, if people are willing to take the offered money then its THEIR issue. I see plenty of all types of computer manufacturers in my work, and at the stores. I think most of the people complaining about this are the ones who just dont like MS.
I suppose this is where we diverge in viewpoint. I see Microsoft as harming the industry almost beyond repair. Another thing I failed to mention, but is also why I dislike Microsoft, is their failure to adopt and support previously established standards. Standards are what gives you and I, and people who use many other different types of Operating Systems and web browsers, the ability to communicate. Time and time again Microsoft shows blatant disregard for pre-established standards and in doing so set back the natural evolution of the internet by months if not years. You can see evidence of this in how some pages do not load in Netscape properly. The problem isn't so much with Netscape but rather how Microsoft tried to change some html standards around the time of the infamous "browser wars" knowing that if they made Netscape look bad they'd lure more users to IE. Naturally MS's reasoning for making their own "standards" is that they can lure more people to their products, and probably charge royalty fees for using them.
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I understand about the prices ideology, I cannot make companies be honest and play by the rules, but if company A bribes company B to do something and B takes the offer, there is nothing I can do about their immorality. Buyer Beware, start being ACCOUNTABLE for what you buy, RESEARCH the product, UNDERSTAND the technology, and make an intelligent purchase, there are plenty of choices, it just so happens, unfortunately, that the general populous chooses MS.
I've already done much research into the topic at hand. That's why, after a decade+ of using Windows, I changed to open source/Macintosh a year ago or so. Since buying a Macintosh I've relegated my Windows machine mostly to the lowly title of "dust collector". And if I can help it I will never buy another piece of software from Microsoft. My philosophy is if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem. And if you support the behemoth that is MS then you're part of the problem. That's just me.
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Also, you wouldnt want ME, it isnt very stable, 98 is workable but still unstable, I like XP very much, and with inflated pricing, ie software, jewelry, etc, what in america is cheap, and if it was cheap, would you want it knowing that cheap means poorly made and supported? Macs are ok but they have a specific functionality: media production, other than that, I would never touch a MAC, gimme Linux or Unix anyday, but then again Linux and Unix are ONLY for those who actually know what their doing so that doesnt help the general populous either. Lack of education is the biggest reason why MS has its power.
You do know that the latest Mac Operating System is unix, yes? The core of Mac OS X is FreeBSD (unix) and the Mach kernal from NeXT OS. That's the beauty of the new Mac systems. Beautiful, elegant, intuitive OS over industrial-strength unix. The ability to tinker at the command line level but if you chose to simply use it as a graphic user interface powerhorse then you're more than able. Add to that a very secure and stable OS and you have a proven winner. I disagree with your "media-only" assertions on the Macintosh platform. Barring games I can do everything -- and I do mean everything -- you can do with Windows, and arguably easier and faster.
Otherwise I thoroughly agree with most of the points in your post(s). In my opinion the Macintosh platform is far and away a better platform than any flavor of Windows I've used (and I've used nearly all of them). The only platform I'd put against Mac OS X was BeOS and Microsoft drove them out of business, sadly. As you mentioned, it's ignorance and indifference that has dictated Microsoft's success. And sadly, as in the beta vs. VHS wars, the better product (Mac) suffers as a result. | |
| In response to all of Mr. Tangent's posts: Yes, Apple makes a great computer and a great OS. No doubt about it. But they will rise again just like the Confederacy or Third Reich will rise again. You are kicking a dead horse. A very dead horse except for the MAC cult.
Microsoft's rise to power through predatory and illegal actions is matched by Apple's decline through sheer business stupidity and incompetence in marketing and just about every other area necessary for financial success. | |
| Yeah,
The MAC Cult is the same as the commodore junkies. "AMIGA OS Will come back!"- Yeah Right
www.amiga.com
Of course I love the machines too, Im just living in reality.
It just blows me away to see these folks band together to build 1001 reasons not to buy a PC.
They believe that BILL GATES somehow forced people into submission to buy PC's.
The reality is that the MS OS's, while not perfect is by far and away the best bet.
*Flame suit has been readied* | | |
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| reply to MrTangent
said by MrTangent:
said by Q Tech:
I dont quite understand all the hub-bub about the Microsoft thing. So they make WinXP, so they are the biggest seller of OS and suites on the planet. People like Windows because its easy to work with and its some-what user friendly. All the monopoly crap, hey, obviously they are doing something right if they have grown to the power the are. Billy is a smart sob,you gotta give him his due. So he creates MSTP/IP all the power to him, maybe its one step closer to a better future. I never understood why netscape and their ilk continually harass MS, netscape was never a quality item to begin with. Personally, I use IE and Opera, I use what I want and be damned the gen populous opinion. If people didnt like it they wouldnt buy it, its as easy as that. Nobody forces you to buy anything, its your choice, your burden.
Q Tech, tell me how many computers you've seen in mainstream computer shops that run anything other than Microsoft Windows.
Besides the very rare Macintosh one might find if one looks hard enough, most run Windows. Why, you ask? Not because it's the most popular. Because Microsoft's illegally obtained (and proven in court) monopoly and how they've for years strong-armed OEM manufacturers to only install Windows OS on their computers (or suffer financial penalties from Microsoft). Microsoft has also built an illegally obtained empire from stealing other people's ideas. Ask yourself why Microsoft is always being sued by other companies. No it's not because people are jealous, it's because Microsoft continually finds ways of ripping both other companies and the consumers off.
Look at it this way: If there was no other competition (which, in the OS department there really isn't as far as commercially bought computers go) then Microsoft is free to charge whatever they want for their systems. They could do this because they know that you and I have to buy it to use a computer. Now ask yourself this, why does Microsoft's premier OS (XP Pro) cost $299 when you can get Apple's premier OS for only $129? And with OS X you also get Mac OS 9 for free. Last I checked you don't get Windows 98 or Me with XP. Microsoft can charge so much because they have an illegally obtained monopoly. If Apple and especially open source were removed from the OS playing field then Microsoft would -- and will -- charge even more.
If you want to turn a blind eye to Microsoft's illegal business practices that's fine by me, but be prepared to literally pay the consequences later.
you people who wanna help against MS have to think about this. MS gave them a choice you pay $300 per disc if you bundle another Os with it and $89 if you don't. That's legal not strong arming.
the judges who decided they are a monopoly were paid and they make me utterly sick. its a free economy your business model has to adapt. This is legal if the manufacturer wasn't greedy they would have said ok and went with the flow. instead of worrying about the cost of their pc's and the way it gets passed on to the consumers. The manufacturers were the ignorant on the issue not MS. They were also greedy because the manufacturers cared about thier market shares. You wanna play you gotta pay.
theres no free good soup in any kitchens. you want free soup go to the damn soup kitchen and get your free os.
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I too was a attbi hater but now with this new service my connection is to slow to complain ... | |
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