tnm456
join:2001-01-28
Connellsville, PA | reply to Wildcatboy
Re: Forum rules, reminder, changes, updates, ... Hey Man,
Thx alot for addressing this issue.
For quite a long time I was visiting this site/forum daily. I to grew tired of the petty BS, Flames, and spiteful
remarks. I left the site for a few months, In the past few weeks I have made my way back. You are right, this site is not what it once was (not just security forum). At one time I could count on getting a clear and respectful reply almost immediatly, NO LONGER. I started a thread a while back, first response was a nasty anonymous flame. (worst of all he didnt know what he was talking about)
Hope you can bring it back.
oh yeah, JKK dont you ever sleep? 12k+ posts geeeez (lol) |
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 N9ZNSecurity Is A Community Effort
join:2001-03-29
Tampa, FL | reply to Wildcatboy
I had the choice... I had the choice of just saying a simple thank you or giving you a smile.
So I decided to do both, thank you WCB. 
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Re: Forum rules, reminder, changes, updates, ... said by Wildcatboy:
...This forum gets a lot of new members daily ... A year from now a lot of the old timers may no longer be here and the people dominating this forum will be the new guys who join today. If being unprofessional becomes an acceptable part of this forum, there will be absolutely no hope for this forum a year from now. ...
I have lived through this exact situation, except it related to a chat environment. The structure got lax - New comers came in - Old timers went out - Pretty soon the area was entirely different than what it had been meant to be. (It's still there today and it is a sad place as far as I'm concerned.) This second post really helped to complete the first in my opinion, and together they are very well stated. Thank you. |
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Wildcatboy,
Great post I recommend dslreports when friends have questions about security and agree with your points about being more professional without the personal attacks/remarks the security fourm is not slashdot or usenet. I tune in now and then but glad to see there are changes, are we allowed to discuss nix and mac security issues in this fourm?
or is it strictly windows only?
Unix_Warrior
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| unix_warrior, welcome to dslreports!! I'm obviously not WCB, but I can tell you I've seen numerous posts here in dslr security related to Linux systems...maybe some mac questions too, but the forum represents the larger community of personal computer users, in which windows is the majority...although WCB will have the final word, my guess is that all security-related questions are welcome. There are also software and hardware forums here at dslreports...just click on the "all forums" on the left or at the top of your screen. :) |
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 kchazJust...BePremium,MVM
join:2002-02-12
Merced, CA | reply to Wildcatboy
It's refreshing to see leadership done well ...I am fairly new in respect to security and in the few months of reading and asking, many here (you know who you are) have helped me and now this is ALWAYS my first stop for security questions and answers. You people have been very helpful, polite, and to the point with me and for that I'm thankful.
WCB, you are a great moderator, and have a great forum running. If it gets any better I might be an expert some
day LOL...: Thanks to all who have helped me, and will help me! I hope some day to return the favor for another person here.
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I don't post here much at all since I don't know much about security. But I do read it more often and can really appreciate a good set of rules for keeping a forum on track. WCB, obviously you put a lot of time and thought into leading these discussions and that alone puts you ahead of many forums. One thing I would like to suggest for experts helping newbies like me without wasting their valuable time, is to use the voting feature when you find a good explanation of a common topic. I can't think of another forum I've seen that has this, but it would be a good way to keep common answers to questions easily accessible, without re-writing the FAQ on a regular basis. I know if I come here with a problem the first thing I'm going to do is look at the popular posts for the last three months since I don't do much exotic stuff with my PC, I expect others will have had similar problems. I'm also usually in a panic and afraid my PC will die completely any second, so I would prefer not to have to peruse a year and a half worth of posts if it can be avoided. So even if you are not posting about a subject but recognize it as a good answer, vote it up. It might help and it can't hurt, right?
Thanks to all for the help I've received in the past and in advance for any help in future.
FingerDemon
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 JerryC23Character Counts 40,41,43Premium,ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-10-08
Humble, TX | reply to LowWaterMark
I meant to start a local web site over a year ago. BUT .. after being a member here a long time, I saw how a GOOD site should be developed (and how a good site can evolve) towards someting even more worth while.
This set of updated rules (I would prefer the term "guidelines", but this is not my forum )
is a perfect example of how it does continue to change for the better.
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 MuddlyIt's a grey area.
join:2001-07-16
Canada
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This is the first forum I found at DSLR when I registered and the one in which I did the majority of my reading for a long time. I mentioned it to anyone I knew with security questions (computer, anyway;)) because I was so impressed with the people and the information here.
I am a fan of free speech but I tend to get more use out of over-moderated forums than under-moderated ones, if I have to choose, just because there's generally less chaff to wade through. If the happy medium can be found, even better.
I did think this forum was deteriorating at one point. My visits became less frequent and seemed less rewarding each time. I hope the changes have the desired effect. I do think this forum was, and can be, one of the best Security forums anywhere.
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 HutchPremium
join:2000-10-14
australia
 ·Bigpond
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These rules seem to very fair. i have a few threads hijacked lately and my question never got answered. I just hope other members will read this sticky post and take note of the new rules.
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 jimeezHeads Are EmptyPremium
join:2002-04-28
Mount Holly Springs, PA
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I like what you have done, Wildcatboy! As a moderator of a different message board, I share your feelings. This place has been an invaluable resource for me. I thank all of you! Sifting through people's unsolicited "opinions" and flames is a hassle everywhere. =]
Now. Without getting flamed myself, could someone be so kind as to explain what in the world is a script kiddie? .......please excuse my ignorance |
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 djaThe 'd' is silent ... unlike the member.Premium
join:2002-03-25
Niagara | said by jimeez:
could someone be so kind as to explain what in the world is a script kiddie?
Yes.
At the risk of you hijacking this thread,
and me posting off-topic.
It could be anyone of any age
who codes and or distributes
worms, trojans, and virii.
However, it most often refers
to a teenage mal-content.
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some mac questions too, but the forum represents the larger community of personal computer users, in which windows is the majority..
How do you guys survive it? I had to install Windows 2000 on Friday
because I needed to download and burn some ISO's with Nero win2k
service pack 3 said 90 minutes when it started wow that's huge.......
I haven't used Windows in ages but they changed the update sight
everything looks different. I'm back to using Linux
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 nozeroEschew ObfuscationPremium,MVM,ExMod 2003-06
join:1999-12-29
InnerSanctum
kudos:3 | reply to Wildcatboy
You do a great job here in this forum and I agree that there is ALWAYS room for improvement. As Oat Willie said, "Onward through the fog"!!! Keep on keeping on... |
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 WildcatboyInvisiblePremium,Mod
join:2000-10-30
Toronto, ON
kudos:2
Security Product V..
Security
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I'd like to thank you all for your responses and support. The forum looks much better already and I'm confident you can make it better. A few last comments before I close this thread so it doesn't get annoying in people's favourite list:
unix_warrior,
Yes this forum is open to all Security related issues and all platforms, some however get fewer responses than others due to the high percentage of Windows users in this forum.
Suggestion to you and everyone else:
If you like to hear more discussions related to the OS you use, bring it up more often. The more *Nix or MAC related issues asked the more chances you get to attract *NIX and MAC users to this forum. After all if Experts in MAC or *NIX feel useful in this forum they will no doubt hang around more often. As I said before the quality of this forum is all about who you attract to this forum. So if you are interested to see more of something, bring it up more often. Learn about it somewhere else and share it with others in this forum and encourage discussions. Bring other friends who know about those issues to this forum and start a few discussions about the subject. You'd be amazed of the changes you'll see in a few months.
On another note, since we have seen some improvements in this forum, let's not stop working hard at it. Think of what you can do to make this forum a better place and take initiative.
Let us also keep the unnecessary stuff out of the forum so people can find the more useful subjects easier. For example, Weekly automated updates of virus definitions are too common to post about every week. If there's a problem with the update, fine. If there's an early release of the update, fine. If updates are not as frequent and people tend to forget to update, fine, but posts like: "Oh, my live update tells me there's an update." are no big deal.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against you giving a heads up to others and a lot of members appreciate it but not overdoing it is what I have in mind. I say this because I'm starting to see threads like: "There will be an update Tomorrow." and we start reading threads full of posts like: "where is it then?" "I still don't have it." "5 hours and counting.", etc... that offer no value to this forum.
Again I'd like to thank you all for your efforts and keep up the good work.
Cheers.
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WildcatboyInvisiblePremium,Mod
join:2000-10-30
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 Host:
Security Product V..
Security
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The idea is that we should all try to add value to the forum with each post we make. Posts about daily updates of NAV do add value for some but we can do better. A one liner that says daily update is there, go get it is nothing but an announcement that's known by majority of users. After all it's a Daily update which means it's released daily. What's the news?
Weekly scheduled updates that are pulled by auto update features are not much of a news either. Sure, some people can still use it, as they have chosen not to use the auto update and manually update their AV (me included) but filling up the forum with daily posts about them is another story.
Again it's about adding as much value to the forum as we can, so here's a proposition:
If you really want to announce them, how about doing a bit more research? Find out what the new added signatures are. Do a research about those viruses, worms and Trojans and inform others about them. Include a few links to descriptions of a few of them and how they work and how they can be cleaned. In other words, add value to the forum. This way people are informed about the update and both you and they will also learn a few things about those viruses.
Let's make hanging around this forum an educational experience as opposed to something like reading the announcements section of a Newspaper. It can be done and you are the ones to do it.
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Broadband security is a very important issue, one that's overlooked extremely often. I enjoyed talking with and learning from WCB "back in the day", and I firmly believe that under his tutelage this forum can revisit its former glory! |
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 DanielPremium,MVM
join:2000-06-26
San Francisco, CA | reply to Wildcatboy
said by Wildcatboy:
Let us also keep the unnecessary stuff out of the forum so people can find the more useful subjects easier. For example, Weekly automated updates of virus definitions are too common to post about every week. If there's a problem with the update, fine. If there's an early release of the update, fine. If updates are not as frequent and people tend to forget to update, fine, but posts like: "Oh, my live update tells me there's an update." are no big deal.
Speak it, brother! (raising hands to the heavens in thanks).
Seriously, I am so glad you said that.
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said by Wildcatboy:
After all it's a Daily update which means it's released daily. What's the news?
The news for me is when the update is released at the ftp server, which varies greatly from one day to the next. Although many have the IU batch file to automate this process somewhat, still it's nice to know exactly when the update is available, since it requires a manual download. Some people schedule their IU batch file to run on a periodic basis, so for them the process is automated, but not for the rest of us. I'm assuming here that you have the Norton intelligent updater (IU) threads in mind.
I realize this is not news for people who don't use NAV, but the most recent firewall poll revealed that many of us do use NAV, thus the notices about daily updates. If the title doesn't apply to your AV, then of course you can just ignore it -- just as I pay little attention to update news about AVG, McAfee, KAV, NOD32, eTrust, Tauscan, The Cleaner, etc. -- products I don't use myself. said by Wildcatboy:
If you really want to announce them, how about doing a bit more research? Find out what the new added signatures are.
dp and I and other users almost always do exactly that: list the new viruses detected, from the whatsnew.txt file. said by Wildcatboy:
Do a research about those viruses, worms and Trojans and inform others about them. Include a few links to descriptions of a few of them and how they work and how they can be cleaned. In other words, add value to the forum.
Sometimes I've added detection pictures and comments to these threads (particularly the TrojanHunter ruleset threads), especially for new virus and trojan detections where I recognize a particular infection sent in for analysis. Others can contribute what they know too, since forum members help their various vendors to get detection of new nasties.
Some of us have sent infected files to the program authors for analysis. Magnus Mischel (TH author) and Brendon Woirhaye (Symantec) have been most helpful and are to be commended publicly for their fine work in assisting us in getting detection on these new nasties -- not to mention Wayne Langlois (TDS author) and others. said by Wildcatboy:
This way people are informed about the update and both you and they will also learn a few things about those viruses.
Point well taken: we especially can contribute, when we see detection of viruses, worms, and trojans we know we've been instrumental in getting detection on, and on malware we recognize and know something about ahead-of-time (before detection).
For other malware, unfortunately for example, often Symantec creates an entry at their website about the new virus or trojan when it is added to the virus list, but it contains little or no information.
However, your point is still well-received, we could research the same malware on other AV/AT sites which may have already obtained information on the same virus or trojan.
Thanks for all the steps you're taking to make this a better forum for all of us, WCB. :)
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 Mats Here kitty and the chimp. SmashPremium
join:2002-03-16
kudos:1 | reply to Daniel
said by danielrm26:
said by Wildcatboy:
Let us also keep the unnecessary stuff out of the forum so people can find the more useful subjects easier. For example, Weekly automated updates of virus definitions are too common to post about every week. If there's a problem with the update, fine. If there's an early release of the update, fine. If updates are not as frequent and people tend to forget to update, fine, but posts like: "Oh, my live update tells me there's an update." are no big deal.
Speak it, brother! (raising hands to the heavens in thanks).
Seriously, I am so glad you said that.
i am very glad he said this as well. i just hope it works |
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