Toledo Tough on Uncappers > This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money.

This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money.

said by phxmark:

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This is such a waste of taxpayer money! Again, the federal gov't aiding a company!

It sounds to me that Buckeye Cable Systems have some really stupid configuration and network techs. They must have forgot to lockdown the modems of their subscribers.

I like the quote in the article saying that Buckeye didn't know what to do. GET A CLUE to start. Find the perps and cut their cable service off completely! Send a certified letter to the perps outlining why they were cutoff and then offer to restore service only after they have a new modem with the caps in place. Also tell them in the letter that uncapping is theft of service and further incidents will lead to a LAWSUIT!!!

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said by phxmark:

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This is such a waste of taxpayer money! Again, the federal gov't aiding a company!

It sounds to me that Buckeye Cable Systems have some really stupid configuration and network techs. They must have forgot to lockdown the modems of their subscribers.

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reply to phxmark
Sounds like an absurd abuse of resources. It really does smell fishy.

Technical questions: Where is the line between tweaking your system to achieve maximum throughput and theft of service? I mean, could a user "tweak" his own system or software to a degree the ISP and the Feds would consider theft of bandwidth? Runner's attorney referenced software. Could software on Runner's own machine (and assuming it did not make config changes to Buckeye's network) have caused in increase in available bandwidth? [Not looking for a "how to" here, just trying to understand where the line is, and whether someone could innocently stumble into "theft".]

Philosophical questions: What if the user bought and owns the modem? Is it a crime to modify your own equipment [again, without modifying network software or infrastructure] to maximize throughput? What's wrong with drawing the most your line will support?

Finally, why isn't it a crime for ISPs to provide less than the advertised bandwidth? Some routinely provide far less than advertised, for reasons that have nothing to do with traffic or temporary equipment problems. It's like fixing the scales or the meter on a pump. I bet the oil companies would like to be able to charge $1.279 for "up to a gallon" of gas, the butcher charge $15.00 for "up to a pound" of filet mignon, and AT&T charge $0.09 for "up to a minute" of long distance, which is kinda what the ISPs do in their TOSs.

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said by N10Cities:

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Exactly.....doesn't the police force have some robberies or murder cases to work?

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reply to phxmark

Best EffortsClause?

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Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money.

reply to scaredpoet
No one was ever charged with the coffee crime so it seems strange to even list it. Plus their home addresses being listed makes me feel the paper/website is in on the persecution.
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"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16

The newspaper and the cable company are under common ownership...

»www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl···ry=ABOUT

(Quite a few other companies own both newspapers and cable companies -- the most well-known examples are Cox now, and Scripps-Howard before they sold their cable systems to Comcast.)

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[text was edited by author 2002-11-01 17:15:13]

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said by not2cr8iv:

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... and AT&T charge $0.09 for "up to a minute" of long distance...

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reply to darkstar71
Imagine if someone made an uncapping virus, what then u pay it’s your problem, or like back in the old days when u bought optimizer programs to make your 56k work better and never work, that should be a crime. Looks like someone found a good cable modem optimizer and worked and that’s why there coming down. For what there doing with the extra bandwidth there probably parallel processing all our PC’s into one huge super computer. If buckeye was my provider I would do a personal boycott, because it would seriously bother me that they are hell bent on getting the maximum penalty for there subscribers, lets say they limit you to 10 e-mails a days and you get spammed bad and they value each additional e-mail at .50 cents a piece but don’t tell you that additional e-mail beyond 10 is a felony offence for stealing e-mail server space. Where do they draw the line?

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said by not2cr8iv:

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Technical questions: Where is the line between tweaking your system to achieve maximum throughput and theft of service?

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reply to darkstar71
running XDCC bots on IRC 24/7. providing movies, mp3's and warez.

reply to phxmark
I'm am really tired of law enforcement and ISP's treating the customer like the criminal in these situations. ISP's should emulate another industry that routinely oversubscribes a limited resource - the airlines. When I buy a reservation on an airline I have a "reasonable" expectation that I will get a seat on the plane. On more that one occasion I have been booked on a flight that had too many "reserved" passengers and not enough seats. In every case the airline accepted responsibility for not managing their resources well and politely asked for volunteers who would be willing to be temporarily inconvenienced by waiting for later flights. Those who accepted were handsomely compensated for their generous act (free tickets, meals, lodging, etc.).
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reply to roamer1
If you dig deep enough, I'm sure you will see this type of *co-conspiracy* in several areas of media, business, and government.
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reply to phxmark
It was no more a correct use of the FBI then to have them come in and mop the floors at the company offices. The cable company had the power to shut off these subscribers but instead chose to move the burden onto the taxpayers.

There is no question that the uncapers are in the wrong but how is it my job to pay for the cable company's operating expenses when I am not even their customer. If they want to set an example let them sue the uncapers of additional costs they incurred servicing their uncaped modems and the termination cost.

I would like to add this because many posters seem to think that these people had to break in to the cable company's servers to do the uncaping. If they did then yes, this would be a case for the FBI but I assure you that they did not. It is all done from software that they run on the subscriber's own computer that tricks the modem into taking their configuration file.
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[text was edited by author 2002-11-02 17:49:25]

Sorry to sound a dissonant note, but maybe this was an appropriate use of government power. Why, I bet this coffee-drinking, cyber-terrorizing "attorney" was taking orders directly from Osama bin Laden himself.

You are all a bunch of morons. Promoting illegal activity and saying that the police "of which form I don't care" should not act to stop crime and arrest the perpetrators. I bet you would all change your tune and start crying for the police if someone moved in next door to you and uncapped their modem. Yeah I would love to see all you lusers faces when you try to get online. What a bunch of unappreciative, selfish, anarchist, idiots. Why don't you all move to another country like China for instance and try to have fun on the internet there!

jester seems to have a bit of anger!
Is he the owner of this ISP? muahahahahahah

by the way jester at one point it was consider legal to own slaves! Just because something is the law doesn't make it right!

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said by the Jester:

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You are all a bunch of morons. Promoting illegal activity and saying that the police "of which form I don't care" should not act to stop crime and arrest the perpetrators. I bet you would all change your tune and start crying for the police if someone moved in next door to you and uncapped their modem. Yeah I would love to see all you lusers faces when you try to get online. What a bunch of unappreciative, selfish, anarchist, idiots. Why don't you all move to another country like China for instance and try to have fun on the internet there!

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