Toledo Tough on Uncappers > They deserve what they got

They deserve what they got

And just what law did they "break"? Last time I checked, local cable companies didn't have the authority to enact "laws". And, that being the case, when did the enforcement of a local ISP's Terms-of-Service fall under the jurisdiction of a Federal agency? At best, this is a civil matter, not criminal. The only "crime" being committed here is the handling of this whole issue by an overzealous (or more likely, over ambitious) prosecutor.

Lee
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reply to EvesOwner
I bet you are one of those who feel you deserve a traffic ticket for speeding. Not a mile over the speed limit ok. If you go over the speed limit, you DESERVE to get a ticket!

reply to EvesOwner
EvesOwner, I bet you are one of those who feel you deserve a traffic ticket for speeding. Not a mile over the speed limit ok. If you go over the speed limit, you DESERVE to get a ticket!

reply to leevis
Under The Mango Tree asked: "And just what law did they "break"?"

Those arrested were...

"charged with unauthorized use of computer, cable, or telecommunications property, a fifth-degree felony that is punishable by up to one year in prison"

A felony is a felony.

They will see their day in court, and maybe they will be found not guilty. But the fact is they have been arrested for a "fifth-degree felony". I do believe that felonies that fall under that catagory do constitute breaking a law.

And yes, going a single mile over the speed limit should mean you get a speeding ticket. After all it is called a speed "limit". The only problem here is that everyone thinks that it would be unfair if they got in trouble it going 5 over the limit...which means that 5 over the limit is the new limit. But wait, if 5 over is a new limit then perhaps 5 over that would be acceptable. But wait... Don't you see, just because going a little over the speed limit has been accepted in our society it does not make it right.

reply to Uh_huh
When the police are used as agents to generate revenue for the cities/courts by hiding by the road and their only job is to write tickets, then they deserve NO repect. The only difference is gang member and them is that they have a city supplied badge and gun. The only good traffic cop is retired, off duty or ......

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said by EvesOwner:

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Under The Mango Tree asked: "And just what law did they "break"?"

Those arrested were...

"charged with unauthorized use of computer, cable, or telecommunications property, a fifth-degree felony that is punishable by up to one year in prison"

A felony is a felony.

They will see their day in court, and maybe they will be found not guilty. But the fact is they have been arrested for a "fifth-degree felony". I do believe that felonies that fall under that catagory do constitute breaking a law.

And yes, going a single mile over the speed limit should mean you get a speeding ticket. After all it is called a speed "limit". The only problem here is that everyone thinks that it would be unfair if they got in trouble it going 5 over the limit...which means that 5 over the limit is the new limit. But wait, if 5 over is a new limit then perhaps 5 over that would be acceptable. But wait... Don't you see, just because going a little over the speed limit has been accepted in our society it does not make it right.

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reply to leevis
I'd check your law... in most places theft of service IS a criminal matter these days and that is what they did, every bit as much as if they had an illegal descrambler for pay TV service.
They were taking service in excess of what they were paying for.
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reply to JakCrow
They have been charged with a crime, a felony at that. Since when is a felony not a crime?

If anyone is arguing that what they did is SHOULD not be a crime then thay is a different matter. The question here is whether or not a crime was broke and typically (I admit not always) when someone is charged with a crime that usually means a law has been broken.

reply to leevis
Well duh! it IS an election year..........

reply to EvesOwner
I'll bet if they get a smart lawyer, they could mount a whopping lawsuit that would have the isp begging to drop all charges. They are not gov't regulated, therefore it is wrong for federal law enforcement to be used. Second it specifies in the tos what happens if you violate the terms of said tos...as far as I can see both parties didn't follow it. Third in this country you are presumed innocent...why were their names and addresses in the local newspaper which also "happens" to be owned by the same party as the isp?

reply to EvesOwner
Its true, its more of a civil matter, nothing more then a aup/tos violation. Its marked in there, _tampering_ with equipment. I can see if they were stealing cable tv, now that can get very penaltish since that is tampering with catv/telecommunications. Last i checked, cable internet wasent under this catagory.
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reply to EvesOwner

said by EvesOwner:

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They have been charged with a crime, a felony at that. Since when is a felony not a crime?

If anyone is arguing that what they did is SHOULD not be a crime then thay is a different matter. The question here is whether or not a crime was broke and typically (I admit not always) when someone is charged with a crime that usually means a law has been broken.

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reply to EvesOwner
The cable company is run by complete fu*king morons, you have to be a pretty ignorant network admin to have your service set up to where people can uncap themselves. 90% of cable companies can't be uncapped, maybe they should buy new modems because the older models have bugs. If someone crashes yahoo.com because the network is poorly setup, what do you do first, go after the person responsible or find out the secrutiy flawe and fix it before someone else does it? Sure these guys should be punished, but at worse they should lose their service, not be federally tried. Maybe if the FBI put as much effort into catching terrorists in the US we wouldn't have fanatical muslims flying 747's through sky scrapers....think about that one.

reply to JakCrow
Listen to these jealous 56k-ers...

reply to EvesOwner
You got it, brother. And another thing, let's get the police out whenever someone turns in a library book a day late -- that's theft!

reply to 2aven
Jealous? I just got fu*ked over by a cable company.
I think anger has more to do with my opinions rather then jealousy.
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reply to Evil Furby
Most cable companies can be uncapped. It's not that hard, Give it a couple hours and that's it. Less sometimes. Im not saying it's right, and no, mine is not uncapped. I do know people in road runner and attbi who are uncapped and have been for months. I don't want my address blacklisted so i will wait for a higher package. It's very easy.

As for those who say why would someone want to uncap. There are a lot of us who have had cable modems for years. We went through all that trouble years ago, considering it was new. I lived with my outages years back with mediaone express. Dealt with the tci merger. blah blah blah. What a lot of us are mad about is the fact that they gave us 2000-5000kbps downstream. Told us anything less than that would mean some sort of issue. Bam, att bought us out (in my case tci). Capped the upload (Yes, the upload was once uncapped. Many years ago). They gave us @home. (boy i knew i was in trouble.) What do they do? cap us at a rate FAR less than what we where at. I honestly think people would be much happier if they capped at 2000, not 1500. When people get angry, they get revenge. You tell them you can get the same speeds you had a year ago? Heck, they do it. and they do. Im not saying its right though. It may be wrong, but i understand.
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And does lisle have broadband yet? when i lived there i was too far from the downers c.o. and attbroadband (aka multimedia cablevision, aka tci cable) said 5 yearss.
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reply to EvesOwner

said by EvesOwner:

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Those arrested were...

"charged with unauthorized use of computer, cable, or telecommunications property, a fifth-degree felony that is punishable by up to one year in prison"

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