It is illegal! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5010818 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:56:51 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:56:51 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5046332 Neactom : the government owns their own vast spectrums of frequencies i'm pretty sure they have full control over everything that goes on inside of those ie ENCRYPTION OR BREAKING FCC RULES]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5046332 Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:48:13 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5019718 ThirdShifter : Ever been in the military?
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do you yahoo!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5019718 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:40:17 EDT Re: It is illegal! Are you kidding!? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5015547 aitech : This is a funny thread...

The Gov't breaks the "rules" all the time.. who are you kidding.. Next time you see a cop illegally parked in front in front of the doughnut shop, or speeding down the road, or running a red light because he doesn't want to wait for the rest of us, or using some stupid technicallity in the law to catch somebody doing something else, next time you see a congressman illegallily accepting money from a tobacco company to keep cigaretts legal.. etc etc etc

I could do this all week.. I think the "gov't" breaks more "rules" and more often then most crooks combined. And if you disagree, you've gotta be kidding me..
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1536/384 Covad. 1380/360 actual. 20-60ms pings. Great!! Was a BITCH to install 60+ days and 100+ incompetent moron's along the way, but it's GREAT and SOLID now.. GO NYY!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5015547 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:50:53 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014957 Omega : Its not like they are killing people. All the are doing is making a big wireless network, I can see why you disagree with what they are doing, but it is really no big deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014957 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:52:56 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014889 DrTCP :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
The armed forces aren't licensed to own anything...they just do it. They have radar that uses the same frequencies as other radar but with power way above what is normally permitted by the FCC. Unless there is a complaint...the military should do what it pleases. And even if their is a complain...the duties of the military outweigh the duties of civilians.
Military is there to serve a civilian regime.

Military being military does not give any excuse. They have to answer civilian authority. If they have reasonable need for certain frequencies or modes of they should be authorized for that.

Protecting the country also means protecting the laws and institutions of the country and respecting the rules and laws. Otherwise, you quickly become a military dictatorship.

Now if armed forces are breaking the laws knowingly and on purpose shame on them and shame on our institutions that fail to address the issue.

BTW, there are procedures set up between FAA and Military air operations regulating the flights of military planes. It might be less restrictive wrt civilian aircraft but it does not mean there are no rules there. They do that because they are granted for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014889 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:45:13 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014511 Count Hogula$ : The armed forces aren't licensed to own anything...they just do it. They have radar that uses the same frequencies as other radar but with power way above what is normally permitted by the FCC. Unless there is a complaint...the military should do what it pleases. And even if their is a complain...the duties of the military outweigh the duties of civilians.

For instance...there are speed limits for airplanes when they are in a TCA, air-air, air-ground proximity limits etc...but the military doesn't have to obey those FAA regulations. They're the military.

I mean hell...I see cops illegally parked running radar or patrolling a carpool lane with only 1 deputy in the car.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014511 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:06:39 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014091 DrTCP :
said by russotto See Profile:
If the government could operate under the restrictions it sets for the common people, there'd have to be a lot fewer restrictions. That would be intolerable to the government.
Government is not above the law and order. If they need special provisions for special purposes they should get that written in the law and regulations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014091 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:15:28 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014082 DrTCP :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
It's against the law to own a cruise missile and a nuclear submarine but the U.S. Navy gets to break those rules too.
The armed forces are licensed to own and use those toys so there is no comparison. As far as I know there is not a special provision in the FCC ruling granting armed forces special exception of exceeding legal power limits.

Armed forces are granted exclusive ownership of certain frequency bands and they can use them as they wish. But, when they are using a civilian band they should respect the rules set for the band as well (again unless otherwise specified or licensed by the FCC)

Besides it looks like it is not even the armed forces operating this link illegally it is the construction company working for them.

Government or not. Nobody should be above the rule of the law. This used to set us apart from the 3rd world countries where laws does not seem to apply to the governing body.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5014082 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:14:12 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013881 russotto : If the government could operate under the restrictions it sets for the common people, there'd have to be a lot fewer restrictions. That would be intolerable to the government.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013881 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:45:20 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013840 Count Hogula$ : It's against the law to own a cruise missile and a nuclear submarine but the U.S. Navy gets to break those rules too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013840 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:39:51 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013054 DrTCP : So the goverment is allowed to break the rules?

Not exactly the lawful, example setting type of government that I would like to see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5013054 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:56:48 EDT Re: It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5012463 Count Hogula$ : Since the island is run by the U.S. Navy (it's a restricted area) I'm sure the FCC isn't going to arrest anyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5012463 Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:21:47 EDT It is illegal! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5010818 DrTCP : This link is most likely exceeding 36dBm EIRP limit set by FCC. As someone pointed out in slashdot the antenna they are using probably has again of >6dBi which is the max. FCC allows at 1W transmit power. So, say a typical dish is 24dBi with 1W (30dBm) transmit power the EIRP is 54dBm.

said by FCC (click here for more):

b) The maximum peak output power of the transmitter shall not exceed 1 Watt. If transmitting antennas of directional gain greater than 6 dBi are used, the power shall be reduced by the amount in dB that the directional gain of the antenna exceeds 6 dBi.
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