Re: So little green.. all red in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r522781 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:56:27 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:56:27 EDT Re: PRODUCTION NOTES http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,562641 anon : Please put the following CO's in green
Oklahoma PTCI
Cimmaron county- Boise City,Keyes (ADSL)
Texas County- Guymon,Goodwell,Hooker,Texhoma,Tyrone(ADSL)
Beaver County- Beaver,Forgan,Turpin(ADSL)
Harper County- Laverne(ADSL)
Texas PTSI
Ochiltree County- Perryton (VoDSL)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,562641 Fri, 09 Mar 2001 01:01:53 EDT Re: PRODUCTION NOTES http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522810 anon : I think your map is great...but where is Hawaii? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522810 Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:12:20 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522781 anon : I live in a very rural region and have had adsl for a year and a half with little in the way of problems.Now I'm waiting for VOD to arrive by the end of the year. We're real
green here so give us a big dot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522781 Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:03:58 EDT grossly inaccurate map http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522566 anon : The map showing which CO's that are DSL ready is very very much inaccurate. Its time to get up to speed and update this map. I am mostly familiar with the state of Wisconsin and you should be showing at least 50 to 70 percent of the state DSL. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,522566 Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:19:32 EDT <B>PRODUCTION NOTES</B> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,517915
Yes there is more red than green on the map, but - as someone points out below - it's difficult to tell how many green CO's there are when they all merge.

And anyway, the % of people served by a DSL Co is a more interesting number than % of COs itself.

Here, belatedly are some productions notes:

How The Map Was Generated

The Facts

The ingredient data came from three sources:

1. Polygon data for all of the 50 states from the US Govt (Sorry AK and HI - we will work on fitting you into future maps).

2 A database of COs and their longitude and latitude (Well actually their 'v and h' from an telco grid system- we converted those to long, and lat.)

3. Our database of DSL availability at each CO. This is changing all the time, so watch out for revisions. This is obtained from the CLECs and (most) ILECs - not ISPs.

We used a simple 'sinusoidal' map projection to plot the statelines and then for every CO we know about we project it on to a red pixel for a non- DSL one and a green for a DSL enabled one.

Points to Note

Where real COs are tightly packed - in urban areas - you could have several CO's all being mapped to the same pixel on that map image.

This means that if you look at those big green blobs over the cities they are actually understating the number of COs in that locality: One green CO in Hicksville (Long Island, NY) looks the same on this map as the 20 COs fifty miles to the west on Manhattan.

Oh, and if a red and a green dot are going for the same position, we let the green dot win.

And, er, because DSLAMS do get decommissioned we might - as someone has rightly pointed out - need a third color for COs which were enabled but sadly are no longer so.

The COs are where the people are

We could point you to some cool maps on the US Census site showing all manner of population densities dynamically plotted for you on a map of the US but it would probably overload their web-server.

But take it from me, the pattern of COs (red and green combined) looks very like a population density map of the US.

And here's an interesting feature: Take a look at a Rand McNally map of Kansas and compare it with our CO map: All those (unfortunately red) dots lining up in a matrix is not an artifact of our mapping algorithms. No, the highway system in KS looks like a blow-up of midtown Manhattan but with 50 mile wide blocks and a town with its own CO at on every corner. (There's a night-time shot of the world from space somewhere on the web, and you can see the lights of those same interections).

Why are the green COs where they are?

Well, the areas where the dots are close together (in cities) will have a disproportionately larger number of people living close to a CO.

There are also other factors such as the skew of disposable income to the suburbs, businesses to the city centers, etc. etc.

Two good reasons to help you decide where to invest your money if you're installing DSLAMs.

We'd like to test these hypotheses with some quantitative studies. Watch this space.

There does seem to be a lot of densely packed red dots in the mid-west though .... Maybe we're missing something?

Which brings us on to ...

Future Data Acquisition

Anyway, we will be working on making it easier for us to process new information sent to us from those of you on the ground who can tell us what the local telco is up to better than the telcos do.

Thanks for all of your comments.

[text was edited by author 2001-02-26 22:03:06]
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,517915 Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:39 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514833 2Drnk2Fsh$ : You are exactly right. DSL is deregulated. This means that no one has to provide DSL at a certain price and no one has to provide service in rural areas.

Left up to the poor CLEC, DSL will never make it out of the metropolitan areas where the "GRAVY" is. That is, the highly and densely populated areas.

The only chance for rural customers is if the evil ILEC decides to upgrade the Outside Plant Network and the Central offices.

Once this is done, you may see a few CLEC's come in and offer DSL accross the upgraded ILEC facilities. While doing this, the CLEC is sure to complain about the ILEC trying to sabatoge him.

I am sure you will not see too many companies competing to build an Outside Plant Network in Bumfuzzal, CA to give DSL to all 12 of it's residents.

Imagine if telephone service had not been regulated. The green dots would not be DSL but rather dial tone. No one wanted to provide service in rural areas, they were forced to do so.

Thanks to the government, this is not the case with DSL. If you live in a rural area good luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514833 Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:35:41 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514766 dsl_boy :
said by socalnative:
What else can you expect from an administration that was funded by Oil and Money.


I understand your position, and I can certainly sympathize, but just out of curiosity, how do you "fund" without "fund[ing] by ... Money"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514766 Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:06:02 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514756 2Drnk2Fsh$ : ISDN and DSL are as different as day and night. ISDN can work thru an exsisting DLC, where DSL cannot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514756 Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:00:43 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514733 2Drnk2Fsh$ : You may be right, but there again.....

I'm not sure how many more green dots you can expect to see on this map in the future.

Unless that green dot is put there by an ILEC, who appears to be "public enemy number one" these days, then I wouldn't expect to see the numbers grow leaps and bounds.

The trend now days is to provide service only to the "MAJORITY" of customers in heavily populated areas. It's also ok if that service works right only a "MAJORITY" of the time.

I don't think you will see companies jumping head over heals to upgrade the Outside Plant Network in rural areas, in order to provide service to rural, sparsely populated areas.

The charge for the service is already too low. The cost of upgrading and maintaning the OSP network, to provide service in these rural areas will out weigh the profit, except maybe to the ILEC, who is already in these areas.

I couldn't understand why an ILEC would spend all the necessary money to upgrade his network, just so a CLEC could come in and use that network, to sell DSL to it's customer.

Since this service is de-regulated, companies will not be required to provide DSL in rural locations, as has been the opposite case with dial tone POTS service in the past.

So if the ILEC decides not to extend DSL into an area, I doubt very seriously anyone else will want to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,514733 Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:51:57 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,513868 anon : The government ought to reregulate the telecommunications industry. Look at this map, and you can see what deregulation has caused. Free Market and competition is the best way to get broadband to the masses---my foot it is. With something as important to the economy of our nation and it's future as this is, it should not be left up to a few greedy execs to deploy it. Many government agencies, such as the Rural Electrification Agency and the Tennessee Valley Authority brought power to people who probably would never got it if left up to greedy power companies. We the People, remember that famous saying? How about promote the general welfare? We should all be in this together, Americans helping Americans. If Money and Greed are allowed to rule things such as this, we will fall behind other nations, and will suffer for it. Do we want to become like India where there are the haves and have nots, and no crossing between the two? I was shocked when the new FCC chairman said about it that is was like a Mercedes, I would like one, but I can't afford one. What else can you expect from an administration that was funded by Oil and Money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,513868 Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:18:26 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,513060 Jon Geb : heheh there are tons of CO's in Oakland county.I install for Rhythms in metro Detroit.We install over 200 DSL lines a week in Oakland county.You must live near South lyon milford area.Thats not wealthy at all]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,513060 Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:07:28 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,511458 da7id : Nope, not here in Marysville,O no any kind of DSL,#1
i'm to far from the Co,#2 there is no ISP that provides it here,it;s just not avalable here,neither is Cable,
i pay my ISP $35.50 a month for 128k,and they are the only ISP here that has ISDN dialup,i pay Sprint $40.00 a month,
so $75.50 a month for ISDN Unlimited access, so i
guess it's not to bad,compared to what other's pay,i call
Sprint every 2 week's about DSL,and i call the local
Cable every 2 week's,their getting to know me by my first name :)
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OLDWARRIOR]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,511458 Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:18:51 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,511418 ATTek : No CLEC's to the rescue with IDSL?? If you can get ISDN, you should be able to get IDSL....maybe that'll happen sooner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,511418 Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:56:20 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,510694 anon : Not 100% true- I live in Oakland County Michigan (one of the five wealthiest counties in the US) and the only broadband solution available here is Satellite. I have to admit I do live in a sub-urban area about 45 minutes out of Detroit, but best estimates are still six months to a year before DSL or Cable modems are available.

Luckily however, ISDN is available in my area! Only $155 a month for unlimited access (you still need to get an ISP). Or I could opt for the metered plan of $55 per month +$.02.5 per minute per channel

Gotta love GTE (now verizon)

Dave

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,510694 Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:23:20 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,509354 da7id : Pretty much shows where the money is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,509354 Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:21:44 EDT don't complain... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,509126 anon : ...I've got another one:



Everyone living here can understand me...

(The green dot is me :-))

-MaLK-
--
Only a madman would give a loaded revolver to an idiot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,509126 Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:25:30 EDT Re: So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,508760 anon : Well if ur smart enough to run a business, would`nt u hit the big areas first? Why waste tons of money for 2 kids in Ohio who wants dsl? lol. I would think that would not make sense to do. Dsl and cable are still new. I say keep that map and wait a few more years and make another. Compare it and it will be a big difference.

Nice map ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,508760 Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:49:37 EDT So little green.. all red http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,507501 AR : :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,507501 Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:22:48 EDT