Re: Why bother in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5254730 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:09:33 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:09:33 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5254730 bear73 : Qwest is lazy. I am 16.2K ft from the CO. Qwest swore up and down that I could NOT get DSL. After fighting with them for a month, shooting my line (I maintain electronic equipment and phone lines for the USAirForce) testing for balance, dB loss, noise, and such I finally gave up trying to work with them. Started looking for a provider not allied with Qwest. Found Speakeasy/Covad. They got me up in no time. No matter how many times I tried to get Qwest to work on my line, even if I were willing to pay for the tech call/rollout, they wouldnt do it. I will not reccomend anyone in my area to go through Qwest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5254730 Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:55:00 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5236146 anon : Yeah, Nome does.

It's got a COM21 based Cable-modem system.. Highest speeds are 1024K.

The disadvantage is that Internet traffic is delivered via Satellite, so latency is horrible. Gaming is impossible. Web surfing is fine, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5236146 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:04:22 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235747 pfish : Wait for an RT (Remote Terminal). TelCos run fiber from the CO to a remote location to make DSL avail. to customers outside of the normal distance area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235747 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:20:06 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235367 Count Hogula$ : Excellent point Chug;


It is amazing how ATTB advertises on major network outlets here in LA when they have very little service area here...and even less service area serving ATTBi. You would think they would just do direct mail and call it done...directly targeting the homes that they can service. Telling me about all these great services like Telephony while not offering it doesn't do much good. And really...what's the point. It's like our local electric company...Edison International. They even have Anaheim Angels Stadium named after them (Edison Field of Anaheim). All the while you ask...why does an electricity monopoly need to advertise...it's not like we have a choice.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235367 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:34:23 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235274 anon : "In the US, it's ENTIRELY about fighting over who'll make the money and the people be damned."

You forgot to mention about the cable & telcos giving us big marketing hand jobs all the while to make us feel like we're getting the best deal in the world. If at least one carrier got a damn clue and put at least half of what they spend on marketing into REAL customer service, equipment, and a more than half-assed attempt at building a network then I bet they'd do quite well for themselves. But that's what common sense would dictate. All those genius telco execs with their MBAs and that business-speak alien language will tell you otherwise. Swell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235274 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:25:53 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235060 stirgeon : Holy *ish! This cat did not say "Customer Cornholing Machine"!!! That had me cracking up at work man. Nice!

said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235060 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:03:40 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235035 DrTCP :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
They will be interested.

Yes, in terms of extra coverage and bandwidth the new standard will be just a refinement but increased remote diagnostic capabilities and better handling of noise will reduce deployment (truck roll) and support costs. Some customers at the edge of the their loops will be able to get somewhat more stable connections.

Besides new chipsets will be ADSL2 anyways so they will get it like it or not.

Oh, many of the features of this technology is US patented (coming from Aware Inc »www.aware.com ) Plus it will be a standard under ISO which USA is a member of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5235035 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:00:43 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5234366 anon : It might be good enough. QWEST told me for years that I was too far away to get DSL. One company even tried installing it on QWEST's equipment.

QWEST still thinks I can't get it. But I went to Earthlink and they installed it anyway. As long as I have something that looks like DSL, acts like DSL, and is called DSL by Earthlink, it doesn't matter what QWEST thinks.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5234366 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:48:02 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5234252 zoom314 : Well It could be worse, I could be stuck on dial-up and I just sold All of My dial-up modems 3-56k & 1-28.8k, So I'm on Charter Pipeline to stay, unless Verizon (ex-GTE) DSL comes My way. Not very Likely to be available near Me anytime soon I might add.:(
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dang.

I'm 800 feet away from the second closest switching station, and since Qwest won't upgrade mine (apparently because they're broke, or something), so I need to get DSL from the further station (meaning only IDSL is available). If they could boost it another 200 feet or so, this would be great technology! Ah, well, guess I'm stuck with AT&T broadband for a while longer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5233691 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:32:59 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5233284 clickwir : Well also consider that the distance from the CO to the house can usually be tested... they usually test by measuring the load on the line. The more things you have plugged into the line (phones, fax, pc, callerID, etc.) all make the load more. Actually having a DSL modem as the only thing hooked to a given phone line will add about 9,000feet worth of "load" if someone were to check it from the CO. Most regular phones add about 1k-4kfeet of "load" to a line.

So unless they come out to the house and disconnect your phone line from the grey box (NID) and hook up the equipment there, it's very possible that it could be inaccurate by a few thousand feet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5233284 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:46:38 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5233107 anon : In Norway (and several other countries), it's about getting technology to the people that want it.

In the US, it's ENTIRELY about fighting over who'll make the money and the people be damned.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5233107 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:24:50 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232794 anon : maybe he should have said UK and not Japan...where we have only just started having a 'reasonable' coverage with 0.5 mb ADSL!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232794 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:33:31 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232678 anon : I'm an American which has experienced both U.S. and Norway. I had great cable modem access in Clearwater, FL.. well until the network saturated and my original 300K bytes/sec downloads rarely ever were seen. Instead I came to expect maybe 30K bytes/sec.
Here in Norway, although deployment is a bit slow in some areas, government regulations require 98% or better coverage on all technologies from the Telco. This means that even though at the moment only 50% (estimated by me) can get up to 1024/256, within 2 years, 98% of the country will be able to get at least that much.
I personally receive 1024/512 for approximately $60 monthly which is about the same as $48/month + norwegian taxes.
Remember, this is Norway a fairly large country (california sized and mountainous) with a spread out small population (4.5 million). If they can do it, it's terribly pathetic that it isn't being done in the U.S..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232678 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:11:09 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232631 radougherty : Are you talking about something new or the same old IDSL that's only 144Kbps/144Kbps?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232631 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:03:25 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5232330 Count Hogula$ :
said by timecop1111:
Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003.


Nice fiction guy. Other people from those countries report differently.
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12MBps ADSL has been available here in Japan for a while now for the price of roughly $20US/month. For $60US, you could even get FTTH (Fiber to the Home) - 100Mbps (although in practice, you only get about 40Mbps, but symmetrically). Nowadays, only the rural areas of Japan aren't covered by broadband. Perhaps you should pay attention to current events since you happen to live there (based on your domain).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231857 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 05:10:30 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231848 anon : Dude, I live in Tokyo and I got 12MBit/s ADSL for about $25/month. So.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231848 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 05:02:22 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231775 anon : Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231775 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 04:21:04 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231649 supportguy8 : A technology that I've started seeing is IDSL, using ISDN technology to get the DSL signal out way past the 18kft mark.

Cisco has the hardware and its started to be sold by TDS is some markets. I haven't seen the training info on it yet, but its much more promising than an extra 600 feet - why even bother reporting 600 extra feet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231649 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:26:51 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231504 jdir : Why bother for ADSL2 at all - It still will be 768Kbps down and 128Kbps up for $50 a month - if you can get it.

Now if the ILEC offering 10Mbps down for $12 to $15 a month ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5231504 Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:46:44 EDT Re: Why bother http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5228229 zoom314 :
said by TheDarkElf See Profile:
i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert*


Yeah, 600 feet is Totally Worthless at 26,600 feet versus 16,000 feet Verizon (ex-GTE) maximum or 10,600 feet to go before I could get ADSL, Which is about how far My CO is from where I live. The Best I can do is Charter Pipeline, But I'm on a New Network that has very few problems and was recently completed where I live (in My part of town at least). So I'll stay with Charter, ISDN is available via Verizon, And ISDN is costly Internet Access with Verizon (ex-GTE) and is not much better than Dialup too.
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And even better...

"For example, on longer phone lines, ADSL2 will provide a data rate increase of 50 kbps—a significant increase. This data rate increase also produces an increase in reach of about 600 feet, which translates to an increase in coverage area of about six percent, or 2.5 square miles."

Wooohooo...a whopping 50kbps, 600 feet...WOW...totally worthless! In about a zillion years they'll have enough range to reach me at 60,000ft from the nearest CO. Hell, telcos can even measure their copper runs accurate to 600ft. I'm serviced at my office at an actual copper length of 19,200ft...while Verizon originally estimated under 15,000ft.

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