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Re: YES, it is illegal! *******
Let's see... AT&T, MCI, Sprint does resale now, Covad, Z-Tel, TDS is making big moves lately, do you really want me to go and list all of the literally HUNDREDS of CLECs per state??
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Boggie, TDS is making big moves lately? Since there are HUNDREDS of CLEC's, how much of the market do you think ALL HUNDREDS have? Maybe what 10%? 15% tops? The 4 Bells (A WHOLE 4 now..VZ,SBC which has managed to eat up Pac Bell and Ameritech,Bell South, and Qwest WOW) Control 85-90% of the market. Wheres the competition? I could care less if there is thousands of CLEC's. That fact of the matter is Bell is a Monopoly that is pissed off that there is even any competition. Lets talk about whining when all these CEO's of the Bells sit and threaten "If you dont take away the Telecom Act rules, then we just wont build out to the rural customers of America". Now thats Customer Service right there!!! | |
 kmac1Off in new directionsPremium,VIP
join:2001-06-07
Port Neches, TX | reply to kmac1
So, you want the laws. May I suggest you start here:
Telecommunications Act of 1996
•Sec 271
•Sec 272 Paragraphs (b), (c) and (e)
•Sec 702 Amendment Title II inserted after section 221 (47 U.S.C.221)
•Sec 222 Paragraphs (a), (b) and (c)(2)
You can read the whole Act at this link HERE
Also, for a good understanding of how all of this should work read HERE.
The NTIA stance towards CPNI (customer proprietary network information) can be found HERE in a letter to the FCC.
You wanted the law, here it is.
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Well I think "Rockybear" said it best "Let's pit ALL of the working groups, races, neighborhoods against each other until everybody is so CONSUMED with RAGE, HATE, & STRESS (...postal, Columbine, Matthew Sheppard, OK Fed., 9-11, Enron ...Hmmm, ...Ya THINK???) "
If your the type of person who wont let someone borrow a pencil or think it needs to be brought to the principles attention, then you are a selfish person who doesnt understand something that everyone should have learned in Kindergarden. Sharing is caring. Cant we all just get along? Bells making money off the CLEC's. They just want More and MORE MORE MORE!!!!! I guess the million a year Salary for all those CEO's just isnt enough. Wish I made 1/10th of that. | |
| said by DSLviper:
I guess the million a year Salary for all those CEO's just isnt enough. Wish I made 1/10th of that.
Me, too, but I'm not going to Congress and the FCC and trying to make them create rules where I get some. | |
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| reply to kmac1
Here problem solved... I just want to blow this planet up, anyone got the massive "reset" button???
After all these pathetic humans do not know how to think
Help them please!!!
I suggest massive earthquake registering 45.2 on the rictor scale, and make sure the planet cracks right in half headed toward the sun, After all I want to feel the burn!!
There problem solved, no more corrupt government, evil telcos, monopolistic cable companies, bad neighborhoods, corrupt cops, war, famine, see I have it all figured out.
Good night, and sweet dreams, even though mine are never that sweet. Hey I can dream...
[text was edited by author 2003-01-31 21:43:58] | |
| reply to boogie74
Re: "Show Me The Money!" Ok boogie.
I'm sure glad you have more energy then me now days. Maybe I'll get a second wind later on, maybe after Feb 13. | |
 spgGrrrr
join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas! | reply to DSLviper
Re: YES, it is illegal! said by DSLviper:
...If your the type of person who wont let someone borrow a pencil or think it needs to be brought to the principles attention, then you are a selfish person who doesnt understand something that everyone should have learned in Kindergarden. Sharing is caring. Cant we all just get along? ...
Sure. Let's have a group hug, put flowers in our hair and after the sun sets, we'll toast marshmallows around a campfire and sing cum-bye-yah.
I'd lend you the pencil the first day, maybe the second, and definitely not the third. There is a concept called self reliance. You'll never learn to be responsible and support yourself if I keep giving you pencils. There's a lesson here. I don't want you to grow up to become a CLEC. I'm betting that if you learn to be self-reliant, in early childhood, you'll grow up and do better.
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DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | reply to kmac1
Did no one... Like my solution?
after all it could work.... | |
spgGrrrr
join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas! | You don't like marshmallows? | |
DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | reply to kmac1
Nuking is better Nooo, I wanted to nuke everything, least then no one could complain... | |
 KaltesPremium
join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA | Beach boy should lead by example we are all right behind you, you nuke yourself first then we will.  | |
| reply to spg
Re: YES, it is illegal! Id rather sit by a camp fire and sing cum-bye-yah, then be an pompus ass like you. "Yeah lets have the CLEC's build whole new network to compete with the Bells" How long did it take for Ma Bell to build the network? How long would it take for anyone to EVER build another network like that? How much Capital would it take to do this? Who has that much money to do so? By the time anyone could build out a network like that, Dial tone will be obsolete, everyone will be using cells phones and DSL will be something of the past. So Mr. Dialtone, Get a clue, its not POSSIBLE that any company will ever be able to build a network like the one you built. Do you feel good now that I said that? Good job, and God Bless America for the Telecom Act, For without that, I wouldnt be able to use your network at cheap costs while you sit and get hemroids over it. Have a great day, keep those Copper lines nice for us! | |
| said by DSLviper:
Id rather sit by a camp fire and sing cum-bye-yah, then be an pompus ass like you. "Yeah lets have the CLEC's build whole new network to compete with the Bells" How long did it take for Ma Bell to build the network? How long would it take for anyone to EVER build another network like that? How much Capital would it take to do this? Who has that much money to do so? By the time anyone could build out a network like that, Dial tone will be obsolete, everyone will be using cells phones and DSL will be something of the past. So Mr. Dialtone, Get a clue, its not POSSIBLE that any company will ever be able to build a network like the one you built. Do you feel good now that I said that? Good job, and God Bless America for the Telecom Act, For without that, I wouldnt be able to use your network at cheap costs while you sit and get hemroids over it. Have a great day, keep those Copper lines nice for us!
First off, the definition of a successful business is one that makes money. The definition of a successful business is not one that makes exactly if not more money than all of its competitors. It is also not a business that has exactly the same number if not more customers than its competitors, or even a business that has exactly if not greater territory than its competitors.
Do you know how long it took James Cash Penney and Sam Walton to build up the size of their stores from a mom and pop shop to be expanded nationally (and internationally)?? Based on that, I should be able to use their stores to compete forever- because I couldn't POSSIBLY be expected to serve that many people like them by building my own department store or discount drug, supermarket, electronics, furniture, household item and jewelry store. By the time it took me to get HALF as successful and large as JC Penney and/or Walmart to compete realistically, people would be wearing space suits, there would be no drugs, gold would be out of style, and household items and furniture would be completely changed if not non-existent from what we know them as today!
Competition does not mean automatically making as much money immediately. It also does not mean having the same size customer base immediately, having the same size debt load immediately, having the same size territory immediately, etc. A successful competitor is one that is still in business- no matter how large or small that is.
In fact, it has been ruled (and yes, I know the opinions of some here that if a ruling goes against what they think, then it is automatically because of extortion, bribery, kidnapping, murder, the mafia and the threat of purple nurples and noogies for the rest of eternity) that TA1996 compliance for the RBOCs is not defined as insuring that competitors are successful, but rather that competitors have equal and open access to the networks. In fact, it is literally written in the act as to the process to follow if a Bell Operating Company opens the network to the extent the act prescribes and still no one decides to come along and compete- after all, how can you require any organization or company to force any other organization or company to go into business competing against them?
In conclusion, as you might feel that real competition is impossible (based on your terms and explanation above), it is the decision of Congress and the Judicial system (once again, some here will say the threat of infinite purple nurples and noogies made this so- I personally disagree) that not only is real competition POSSIBLE, it is desired and encouraged. This is completely evident from TA1996 with the wording of Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Part III, Section 271, which details the roadmap to defining "open to competition." For those that are of the opinion that the Bells are the only ones that have "right of ways," access to poles, conduit, easements, etc, it is item #3 of 14 that requires nondiscriminatory access to the poles, ducts, conduits, and rights-of-way owned or controlled by the Bell operating company at just and reasonable rates in accordance with the requirements of section 224 of this title. For those that are of the opinion that Congress never intended for companies to install their own "last mile," it is items 4, 5 and 6 that require the unbundled access to (4) Local loop transmission from the central office to the customer's premises, unbundled from local switching or other services (this is the last mile loop), (5) Local transport from the trunk side of a wireline local exchange carrier switch unbundled from switching or other services (if the CLEC has its own last mile but doesn't have its own switch and/or trunk to connect the last mile to the switch, the transport from the trunk side of the LEC must be unbundled), and finally (6) Local switching unbundled from transport, local loop transmission, or other services. (if the CLEC installs its own local loop and trunk- yes, if the CLEC decides to first install its OWN LAST MILE, and the CLEC doesn't have the switch yet, the switching must be available unbundled too).
I'm sorry that Congress didn't agree with those here that think that competition is resale forever- Congress REALLY did intend for companies to install their own networks... In fact, there ARE sunset provisions in place later in the act that define how long regulators have to require Bell Operating Companies to prove via audits- oh yes... I forgot about the laid out biannual audit processes that are ALREADY in place to inspect ALL of this... that they are in compliance of the act.
My best suggestion, if you hate the legal wording so much, is not to vote- but to run for office and tell voters that you will personally be responsible for punishing their phone companies into bankruptcy- as you think its unfair that they can't download their pirated music and their porn at 500 Gbps for $15.95 per month- nationwide.
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