Bitch all you want....it is still piracy. -

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Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI Reviews: ·Site5.com ·Comcast ·Callcentric	Bitch all you want....it is still piracy. You can call it what you want...it is still piracy. The ISPs are going to be turning this up especially as more and more people turn to P2P to get things they don't already own. On P2P, you can get music, games, registration codes for software, full version applications, and so on. All of which are illegal to distribute last I checked. When you buy a piece of software, you can't give a copy to a friend LEGALLY. Music is a grey area, but my common sense tells me that if you don't own the CD then you shouldn't have the MP3. If you do have the mp3, it is illegal. The DMCA is going to need to be rewritten for the new age. If the RIAA has its way, it will be rewritten for its benefit and not the consumer. All I hope is someone with deep pockets that can invest millions in court will do something in this battle to protect the consumer. In the meantime, with P2P and FTP server use growing and bandwidth still costs a lot of money, you can be sure that ISPs are going to keep going after people using this technology. Especially if they see your upload going full bore for 2-3 weeks straight. -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal [text was edited by author 2003-01-31 15:29:18]
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Go Chargers7 Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle Premium join:2002-09-24 Huntington Beach, CA	Well, the RIAA can bitch all they want...it's still RACKETEERING!!!! -- Nuclear fission: made in America; tested in Japan.
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russotto join:2000-10-05 West Orange, NJ	reply to Nightfall Don't exaggerate: piracy is when you board a vessel at sea, capture or kill its crew, and steal everything valuable aboard (possibly including the vessel itself). This carries a term of life in prison Downloading a song, on the other hand, carries a theoretical maximum term of only one year in prison under the NET act. Plus 5 years for each subsequent song. Figuring the average human lifespan is on the order of 80 years, that means you have to download about 17 songs to reach the level of piracy. ISPs aren't liable for copyright violations committed by P2P users, so they are unlikely to "go after" too many customers.
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footballdude Premium join:2002-08-13 Imperial, MO	reply to Nightfall said by Nightfall: Music is a grey area, but my common sense tells me that if you don't own the CD then you shouldn't have the MP3. If you do have the mp3, it is illegal. What I don't understand is how having an MP3 is any different than taping a radio broadcast. When I was younger there was a radio show on every Sunday night called the Kingbiscuit Flour Hour. Any time somebody I liked was on, I taped it and therefore got all of their best songs without having to spend any money. Isn't the internet one big broadcast?
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Sarge_0321 join:2002-06-27 San Diego, CA	reply to russotto Can the term PIRACY be applied to dilusioned right wing nations that feel they have the right to conduct REGIME CHANGE operations. Equates to piracy in my book.
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Go Chargers7 Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle Premium join:2002-09-24 Huntington Beach, CA	No, it's called preemptive action...the kind meant to save those misguided souls who are too afraid to lead and prevent the deaths of millions while the fantasy proned left wing Hitler appeasing nations stand by waiting for the worst to happen...then bitching to the right wing nations about why they didn't do anything when they could. -- Nuclear fission: made in America; tested in Japan.
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Bahamut X Premium join:2000-12-09 Fort Worth, TX	reply to Nightfall said by Nightfall: When you buy a piece of software, you can't give a copy to a friend LEGALLY. Actually.. yes you can.. provided you are not going to use that software anymore, you can do whatever the heck you want with it... I understand what point you where attempting to make, but yet you leave such a glaring loophole in your statement... -- "The power of the printing press belongs solely to those who own the presses" —A.J. LeiblingThe Internet is the cheapest printing press ever invented.-DSL Prime
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Go Chargers7 Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle Premium join:2002-09-24 Huntington Beach, CA	Yes, given that you destroy the original. It's a right of "first sale" as pointed out in another thread. But you couldn't give a copy to a friend but also keep a copy you use for yourself. -- Nuclear fission: made in America; tested in Japan.
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Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI Reviews: ·Site5.com ·Comcast ·Callcentric	reply to Bahamut X said by Bahamut X: said by Nightfall: When you buy a piece of software, you can't give a copy to a friend LEGALLY. Actually.. yes you can.. provided you are not going to use that software anymore, you can do whatever the heck you want with it... I understand what point you where attempting to make, but yet you leave such a glaring loophole in your statement... Uh.... I didn't think I needed to fill in every minor detail. I thought others here had the common sense to fill those in. Yes, it is legal to give to a friend...if you aren't going to use it anymore. It is legal for you to sell to someone else. It isn't legal to give copies out to multiple people or to one person while you continue to use it. Please don't nitpick. :P -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal
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Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI Reviews: ·Site5.com ·Comcast ·Callcentric	reply to footballdude said by footballdude: said by Nightfall: Music is a grey area, but my common sense tells me that if you don't own the CD then you shouldn't have the MP3. If you do have the mp3, it is illegal. What I don't understand is how having an MP3 is any different than taping a radio broadcast. When I was younger there was a radio show on every Sunday night called the Kingbiscuit Flour Hour. Any time somebody I liked was on, I taped it and therefore got all of their best songs without having to spend any money. Isn't the internet one big broadcast? That is something the DMCA will need to include in a future revision. -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal
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J D McDorce Premium join:2001-12-29 Westland, MI	And if the RIAA has their way, the next revision of the DMCA will ensure that unless your MP3 is properly licensed (with the proper fees paid to the appropriate RIAA members), owning a copy of the CD will be meaningless with regard to the legality of a MP3 if it contains copyrighted material.
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bear73 Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies Premium join:2001-06-09 Grand Forks Afb, ND	reply to russotto said by russotto: Don't exaggerate: piracy is when you board a vessel at sea, capture or kill its crew, and steal everything valuable aboard (possibly including the vessel itself). This carries a term of life in prison Downloading a song, on the other hand, carries a theoretical maximum term of only one year in prison under the NET act. Plus 5 years for each subsequent song. Figuring the average human lifespan is on the order of 80 years, that means you have to download about 17 songs to reach the level of piracy. ISPs aren't liable for copyright violations committed by P2P users, so they are unlikely to "go after" too many customers. Also, if you redistribute for profit. As that is essentially what the sailing pirates did. An example of this is how I can go right outside the base gate at Osan AB, S. Korea and buy for $5-10 the latest releases of any movie. VHS quality. Surround sound (mostly). You can also take your XBox or PS2 to the "old man" who will modify it to play backup copies and give you 25 games of your choice for $100 US. That, SONY is pirating. Good luck going after odishi over in Korea. -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE!
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bear73 Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies Premium join:2001-06-09 Grand Forks Afb, ND	reply to Go Chargers7 I've never read anywhere in any EULA that there was a restriction on WHERE your backup was kept. Only that the licence holder/owner was the only one allowed to use teh software on 1 machine (unless the company is "kind"). I have all my software in an alternate location so if my house is broken into or there's a fire, I don't lose it all. -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE!
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Go Chargers7 Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle Premium join:2002-09-24 Huntington Beach, CA	It's not in the EULA, it's in Title 17, Fair Use. The backup must be for PERSONAL use. You can keep it anywhere you want, but it must not be used by anyone else. -- Nuclear fission: made in America; tested in Japan.
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lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL	reply to Go Chargers7 The ball is in your court "Sarge_0321".
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lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL	reply to bear73 Ahhhh, a fellow "Songtan Sailor"
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Go Chargers7 Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle Premium join:2002-09-24 Huntington Beach, CA	reply to lesopp said by lesopp: The ball is in your court "Sarge_0321". No, the game is long over. -- Nuclear fission: made in America; tested in Japan.
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untroubled1 Redneck Dawg Premium join:2001-12-21 Omaha, NE	reply to Nightfall AND....I post all my CDs to the newsgroups.lol. Not to mention Mirc and MSN messenger and ICQ. Come see me RIAA!!!! (Pack A Lunch) you will be counting RETAIL CDs for a while...hahahahaha
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Bitch all you want....it is still piracy.