 compugeekI love making my own beer.Premium
join:2002-07-30
Pickerington, OH | No different than a politician No different than if a person running for office would send you a questionnaire, they are just getting a feel for local sentiment on the subject.
You go SBC and Comcast...
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 batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
join:2003-01-25 | reply to compugeek
They're certainly entitled to ask any question they want. They're not free to misrepresent who they are. The stories don't really touch on that part, but I've heard reports of people being told the surveys were commissioned by the cities |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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it's illegal and immoral. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to compugeek
said by compugeek:
No different than [...] a person running for office
Oh don't say that. The Broadband Socialists will howl in disgust.
Funny that when a school district or local politician does this, it's "for the children" or some similar drivel, but when a commercial entity does it's the end of civilization as we know it.
SBC and Comcast are engaging in tried-and-true Illinois Referendum Politics, which usually includes outright lies, misquotes, fear, loathing, doubt, misdemeanors, felonies and cats and dogs living together. If Geneva, Batavia and St. Charles had sent out a similar survey everyone would be hugs and kisses about it, right? The school districts around here pull this stunt every time they are crawling around with their hands out bleating for money for yet another swimming pool or gym or finger-painting lab.
Seems that, no matter how needed or well-intentioned, this is going to come down to a money-losing commercial endeavor cloaked under the robes of "Public Need" and financed through property taxes. Just like every other local government program. Let them all play together on the level, muddy field, and we'll watch with amusement as the Tri Cities volleys back.
And where's Fermilab in all this? There's probably enough bandwidth leaking out of that place to power all the porn, warez and mp3 surfers in Kane County.
Folks may also be interested in what the other side is saying: »www.geneva.il.us/bb/faq.htm |
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Yeah- you go SBC and Comcast.....keep on committing fraud and lying to the folks you say you want to be neighbors with and gain their respect. You have indeed changed! HA! One of you big companies mentioned on your list of questions (and I use that term loosely)that the survey was commissioned by the City of Geneva. And in fact, more specifically, a councilman. Well, Geneva has aldermen. That was the first mistake. And misrepresenting yourself like that in the guise of doing "legitimate research" is, well, FRAUD. Which one of the big companies was it? Don't know. Seems Comcast and SBC won't turn over their list of questions. Both must be guilty.
I'll tell you what. That was not a survey. It was a smear campaign. How is a question about my like or dislike for Mayor Burns or his job performance relevant to broadband pricing or bandwidth? And get out the tissues because teachers are going to lose jobs and students will suffer if this broadband thing goes through! My god. I can't wait to see the info-mercials with Tri-City residents starving in the streets because of a municipally run broadband system. |
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 KylemaulLovin' My FirefoxPremium
join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL | reply to compugeek
Are you sure your provider isn't 'Blindsighted Cable'?  |
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batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
join:2003-01-25 | reply to RadioDoc
Fermi You'd be amazed at how little bandwidth Fermi actually has for the work done at the lab...They could use a lot more. |
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 RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
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Re: No different than a politician "The school districts around here pull this stunt every time they are crawling around with their hands out bleating for money for yet another swimming pool or gym or finger-painting lab."
Oh yeah, the schools in this country are just oozing with money and luxuries, NOT!
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" (...) this is going to come down to a money-losing commercial endeavor cloaked under the robes of "Public Need" and financed through property taxes. Just like every other local government program."
Well, RadioDoc. One might be amused reading such nonsense. Your statement clearly shows, you do not have the slightest clue, what this project is about. There are more than 500 similar projects completed in the US. Und guess what: None of them raised their taxes. They all run just fine. If you knew the specifics of the Tricities and put some brain behind that, you would know, that there is a very high probability that it will run even better here.
To predict that will go up is a pure assumption without any reasonable foundation. I would recommend you to stay with Comcast and whatever Telco and enjoy your increasing rates and lousy service! |
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join:2001-07-11
Yorba Linda, CA | reply to RR Conductor
said by RR Conductor:
Oh yeah, the schools in this country are just oozing with money and luxuries, NOT!
Actually, the PUBLIC schools in this country have plenty of money. It's just that they are oozing with administrators underperforming tenured teachers. Most school districts need to do two things: 1) Eliminate tenure - Get results or get out. 2) Eliminate excess administration - How many vice principles does one school need?
My sister taught for years in a PRIVATE high school, for less money. She got results, so they continued to renew her contract. When she moved out of the area, she took a job at a PUBLIC school in Palo Alto, CA. Nice area, nice schools, better pay. Couldn't stand all the administrative headaches, and quit soon after. |
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RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | I agree with you about the administrative stuff, though I still don't think they get the money they deserve. I don't know of a better way to invest in our future then to spend it on our kids  |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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said by RadioDoc:
SBC and Comcast are engaging in tried-and-true Illinois Referendum Politics
Which, I assume, as I stated in the other thread, that we shall be expecting a large number of the deceased and former residents to be voting no in this election then, eh?
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | said by KrK:
we shall be expecting a large number of the deceased and former residents to be voting no in this election then, eh?
No doubt. Although that's more of a Cook County thing.
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Nice try "Ascon". I am very familiar with the Tricities. I am also very familiar with local politics. I hope they are a brilliant success, but history is against them. Everyone is an electric or water utility customer, not as many are going to sign up for the 'broadband utility' unless it is forced on them like garbage pickup is (or used to be). I suspect that the end user cost for this will eventually end up bundled up in a water bill that can't be avoided.
Just for the record, Comcast doesn't provide broadband here in the LG area because the cable system plainly sucks, and SBC hasn't raised my 99.99% uptime DSL connection rates since I signed up on in May 2000. I wouldn't trust La Grange or Western Springs to run anything more technological than a pencil.
You must be part of this project. Come back and report when it's up and running. We'd all like to hear how it turns out. You evidently missed the sarcasm. Both sides are just as bad as the other. |
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Yea right. Well you must have gone to a private school then?
Someone taught you to read and write. Let me guess it was your Mom? No it was a teacher. I bet that teacher was working in a public school too. Bashing education is weak crap. Yes there is way to much spent on administration but most of that is mandated by state politicians not the local school boards. Teachers have been saying that for years. With all the "standards" and testing being done it's a wonder the kids learn anything.
The fact is kids have to be ready to learn and have parents that impress on their children the importance of education. Guess what 99% of them don't. They consider school as a place to send their kids when they are at work to be baby sat. When the kids get home they let the tv baby sit them. Then they bitch the kid isn't learning anything. Parents who actually get involved in their kids education and shut off the tv end up with educated kids. Folks who don't end up with simi-literate low lifes. Go figure. That goes for public and private school. ( The private school would kid the kid out I bet. )
The great advantage private schools have is the parents.
Since they are paying they insist their kids behave and keep on task which is getting educated. What sucks it they pay twice. First in taxation for public schools and again for the private education they have chosen for their children.
My wife has taught in private and public schools. She makes way more money in the public school system. The oversight in the system she works in is pretty extensive. That insures that the instructors are teaching what is required and are doing their job. If they are not the district gets rid of them.
School bashing is easy. That is why politicians do it.
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Re: No different than a politician i live in the town of norwood, mass 2 years ago town meeting authorized the municipal light dept to install a cable/internet system. it has been running for 3 months now. the cost of the town system is apprx 10 to 15% less than cablevision/att/comcast is charging! the town authorized a bond of approx 10 million dollars to install the system. i am a subscriber to the system and i feel that at least my money is going to stay in the town. it is also worth noting that our electric rates are approx 26% less than the surrounding towns and we get a 10% discount if the light bill is paid within 10 days. |
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Re: Yea right. said by FlameBait:
Well you must have gone to a private school then?
Someone taught you to read and write. Let me guess it was your Mom? No it was a teacher. I bet that teacher was working in a public school too. Bashing education is weak crap. Yes there is way to much spent on administration but most of that is mandated by state politicians not the local school boards. Teachers have been saying that for years. With all the "standards" and testing being done it's a wonder the kids learn anything.
The fact is kids have to be ready to learn and have parents that impress on their children the importance of education. Guess what 99% of them don't. They consider school as a place to send their kids when they are at work to be baby sat. When the kids get home they let the tv baby sit them. Then they bitch the kid isn't learning anything. Parents who actually get involved in their kids education and shut off the tv end up with educated kids. Folks who don't end up with simi-literate low lifes. Go figure. That goes for public and private school. ( The private school would kid the kid out I bet. )
The great advantage private schools have is the parents.
Since they are paying they insist their kids behave and keep on task which is getting educated. What sucks it they pay twice. First in taxation for public schools and again for the private education they have chosen for their children.
My wife has taught in private and public schools. She makes way more money in the public school system. The oversight in the system she works in is pretty extensive. That insures that the instructors are teaching what is required and are doing their job. If they are not the district gets rid of them.
School bashing is easy. That is why politicians do it.
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batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
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Re: No different than a politician Except the difference is the TriCities OWN their ELECTRIC UTILITIES(for the past 100 years), poles, and Right of Way, unlike LaGrange and Western Springs who are ComEd customers.
Also the TriCities already maintain and operate fiber networks to the city buildings, electric and water substations and schools. And no, they don't have any expectations of turning some electric guy into the manager of the new broadband utility. They intend to hire from the field...God knows there are enough unemployed cable/telco/internet geeks out there. I bet plenty of them would love to go up against their former employers with a government pension behind them.
As far as the financials, the proposed penetration rates for the utility are so low, it should be easy to break even. And that's the difference....it doesn't have to carry a high overhead to cover corporate jets and monthly fines from the ICC (in SBC's case). It just has to break even.
In regards to DSL in LaGrange, you're a lucky stiff. I can't get cable modem OR dsl at my home in Batavia.
RadioDoc, we're not too far away from each other, but we live in an entirely different telecommunications plane....
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i know i would love to put a stick to the monopolies with peoples backing. I used to do it at colleges as a consultant. Clean up cut costs and maintain the level of service. When there isn't corporate jets like my former employer you would be amazed at the actual cost passed on to the consumer. |
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Saint Peters, MO | reply to KrK
i would expect nothing less from the DEMONcrats of chicago |
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