 Go Chargers7Fa Shizzle Ma NizzlePremium
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Huntington Beach, CA | Just waiting for the ILEC shills It's only a matter of time before the ILEC shills show up and try to explain why VoIP sucks, even though it's reliable and cheaper.
Not a month goes buy that I don't appreciate my VoIP service and the fact that it gave me the ability to ditch my telco. I mean please...telco's charging monthly per line fees to keep your name from being whored out in their phone directory...please. Screw them.
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 spgGrrrr
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NOT Texas! | What? And disturb your group hug? No way. This is your thread.
I think that VOIP is coming. A few more tweaks and it will be on it's way. However, I believe it will be one of the many communications choices we'll have; not the only one. Amazingly enough, there are lots of people who don't want computers and internet access. And, there are LOTS of people who don't make a lot of LD calls. Hard to believe, but true. For them a good ol' POTS line will work fine.
I think the ILECs will still be around, and so will AT&T and whatever MCI morphs into. There are over 13 billion miles of twisted pairs in the US. It's not going away anytime soon.
But I don't think the only foe to VOIP are the ILECs. The long distance guys will lobby to have it regulated right along with the Cable Cos. There is still money in voice, and everyone still wants a piece of the action.
AT&T wants everybody regulated but them.
Dialtone is a way of access to you. This is how these guys will sell you services. VOIP, if it can't be controlled, will be in these guys' cross hairs in no time. I wouldn't even be surprised to see some sort of coalition.
If VOIP isn't regulated, the ILECs will argue that this is one more form of competition.
The 911 issue--
I think the argument is that at present, when you call them on a landline your address info appears automatically. With VOIP you may not be shown as the customer. Your provider might be. They leased the number from the Telco.
And Go Chargers, FWIW, I'm sorry you got a rotten deal from GTE.
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AT&T wants everybody regulated but them.
Ive noticed the RBOC's take a lot of heat, but from what I understand that company was hated just as much and has no better ethics than any RBOC. |
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Duh. I guess you didn't bother reading my other posts. The issues are about shills claiming the VoIP doesn't work well and can't be a substitute for POTS. Meanwhile I've been rid of Verizon for months. As for 911, it's a non-issue. 911 on cellular doesn't give a location yet people still find it useful...why? Cause they can't remember the 10 digit number to emergency services. 911 is about remembering 9-1-1...that's it. The other stuff got added later and is just a bonus. They made claims that it doesn't work with routers, can't work with DSL, requires a computer, won't work with alarm systems...all are bullcrap. They lie about the services because they're RBOC fanboys. VoIP isn't for everyone. If you're into wasting money and the like, RBOCs are for you. If you don't have a good BB provider you obviously don't want to run VoIP. But if you have a stable provider there is no reason to keep overpriced POTS.
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| I think he is talking about this thread I believe this is the Link your talking about!
There is some good information on these Links
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Re: Just waiting for the ILEC shills True you don't need a computer, but you do need a broadband connection. Some people will not want to invest the 40 to 70 bucks for broadband just to dump their phone company. I am indeed considering it mainly because I already have broadband. It may not be an option for me though because my phone bill is actually less per month than what Vonage charges. Still thinking about it though. I am glad yours is working well.
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Huntington Beach, CA | Of course if someone doesn't have broadband can't use VoIP just as someone without a driver license won't buy a car or someone without a chin won't buy a violin.
All of my comments are directed at those that claim VoIP isn't reliable and can't possibly be used as an alternative for POTS.
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| I am just wondering........... if there is another bug that hits the internet like last month which they say it just attacked windows 2000 sequell servers. What can we expect from vonage? can it whether the storm? |
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| It didn't affect my Vonage service but I didn't see the effects of the 1434 problem during that time...only read about people's accounts.
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But you do need broadband and my point is that with broadband prices like they are, it may not be an alternative for someone without it. Someone will look at their phone bill, they pay 30 or more per month for phone service and 15 or more for dialup. Then they look at Vonage and see 26 per month for phone and 50 or more per month for broadband. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of VOIP, but you do have to factor in the monthly cost of broadband if you don't currently have it. It is already in my budget so the point is moot.
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spgGrrrr
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NOT Texas! | reply to Go Chargers7
Yeah I read the thread. I wasn't impressed by either side of the argument. Passion killed off reason way early in the "discussion."
Assuming that everyone who supports the RBOCs position is a shill makes as much sense as implying that anyone who extolls the virtues of an alternative type of service is a troll.
Problem here is that too many people have made up their mind on the issue (either way) and anyone who disagrees is either a shill or a troll. Perhaps the realization that on occasion someone posting an argument against your position, whichever way it is, may have a point is too much to ask for.
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| Wrong...there is no reason to support an RBOC...defend DSL over cable yeah...but there is no redeeming quality in the RBOCs. Their service is horrid and they provide slower service in general than their competitors.
And when they move to kill off CLECs...it's just one more reason not to support their attempts at killing competition.
By defending an RBOC...you are defending their activities which center around the elimination of competition...plain and simple.
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