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Fear this: AT&T petition @ _-* 2159 *-_ in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r635539 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:16:50 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:16:50 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ _-* 2159 *-_ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1014068 anon : 2159]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1014068 Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:07:14 EDT at&t blow me myslef&I http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,921848 boom4u : at@t bought the equipment and said hell with their customers....well i say the hell with at@t.....ill never spend another dollar on at@t again.....ever ! if im stuck in the desert and i get a at@t payphone, ill be stuck for a long fricken time.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,921848 Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:09:30 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ _-* 2124 *-_ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,914343 anon : 2124]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,914343 Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:21:58 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ _-* 2100 *-_ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,845856 anon : 2100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,845856 Wed, 16 May 2001 22:45:10 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ 2,051 sigs! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,821432 GarageJoe : Demax, you might want to check into a little something called "Letter of Authorization" A commonly known technique that telecommunications use to inform of there wishes to all others including CLECs, ILECs, and the FCC, not to mention the customers. Just some FYI for you to check into before making comments.
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,821432 Fri, 11 May 2001 02:59:13 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ 2,051 sigs! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,816925 demax : I don't have a beef with AT&T buying NP equipment, but I sure do when they make 2nd Copper Line dead. Yes, their sitting on it. That's called: " Busy Pair Issue " in case you never heard of it GJ.
AT&T never installed my second house line nor did Northpoint, they just rented it. It's time to let it go if they don't allow the Line to be used for what it was intended to be. It's becoming a bad habit of large corporations to trample on Consumers and buying our Congress. Maybe it's time to throw all the bums out and start a new leaf.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,816925 Thu, 10 May 2001 02:44:32 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ 2,051 sigs! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,806932 PatientGuy : AT&T didn't take NP's subscriber base because they just wanted to dump the low cost residential contracts. No doubt AT&T will offer quality DSL service but you can bet it won't be cheap. If you're going to pay top dollar for DSL service there are plenty of good alternatives. Some folks may go crawling to AT&T to get their old Copper Rocket line back for five times the money, the way AT&T hopes we all will, but I'm sure not. I hope I'm wrong, I hope that AT&T will offer reasonably priced residential SDSL, but I'm not holding my breath. In the mean time, who knows, maybe a little bad PR will have an effect on the rate structure AT&T offers. Besides are big companies supposed to be able to dish out any crap they want with no repercussions at all? It's certainly productive for consumers to speak out and stand up for themselves. No matter how feeble, it sure beats doing nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,806932 Mon, 07 May 2001 22:06:33 EDT Re: Trolling along... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,806052 anon : Echo un pedo, mojadito y perfumado como habichuelas y carne picada, hacia la cara sosa de GJ.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,806052 Mon, 07 May 2001 19:32:26 EDT Re: Trolling along... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,803550 GarageJoe : Now that is the best yet, someday when you realize your futility of the issue. Perhaps then you will understand that directing your aggression towards me, is only a displacement of your true feelings of animosity towards AT&T. But even though is this the case, you need to find a healthier output of your feelings. I hope this information helps.
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,803550 Mon, 07 May 2001 01:38:02 EDT Trolling along... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,802950 anon : GJ, stop trolling and crawl back under the bridge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,802950 Sun, 06 May 2001 22:22:28 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,794338 GarageJoe : Chipinphilly, I am having a hard time understanding what your witty (low quality at that) have to do with the subject at hand. That subject in case you have forgotten has to do with AT&T taking over NP's equipment. Using big words doesnt scare me, what does bother me is the useless remarks you have to discuss in this forum when you can think of nothing else to reply with. Makes one wonder how you cope with real life if that is your idea of a discussion. But then again I should be understanding, you are just fulfilling your role of being that certain percentage that isnt that bright to begin with. Dont worry I dont blame you for being stupid but I do blame you for making others listen to you useless words of criticism.
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,794338 Fri, 04 May 2001 18:06:04 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,793484 anon : Matthew, you've been lost since Phil Hartman died, haven't you, poor little buddy?

Here, have a few bucks and go get a burger and a coke. And feel proud that I deigned (big word) to converse with you directly.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,793484 Fri, 04 May 2001 14:15:14 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,790228 GarageJoe : whatever makes you feel better, because at the end of the day thats all its really doing. It isnt for the benefit of anyone else.
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,790228 Thu, 03 May 2001 17:36:59 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,790056 carrieg2 : Can I get mad at AT&T (my digital cable provider) for prohibiting me from getting cable modem service while everyone around me has it via Comcast? ;)
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,789842 Thu, 03 May 2001 16:13:09 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,788691 anon : 1. AT&T did nothing _illegal._ What they did was completely reprehensible, however, and totally immoral.

2. It isn't _my_ petition. I didn't start it, a fact that has failed to register on many brains more completely preoccupied by finding a burger and a coke. If you don't believe me, click the petition link and read the fine print.

3. *Sniff* *Sniff* Do I smell a troll?

4. Is that the same guy that was on Talk Radio?

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,788691 Thu, 03 May 2001 10:04:05 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,786159 GarageJoe : If you want the question better defined for your small brain I would be more than happy to. If AT&T WERE doing something illegal in buying Northpoints equipment at the "steal of deal" rate that they got it for, why hasnt some government agency or commission stepped up and sued or taken proper action against AT&T? Perhaps because possibly they didnt do anything WRONG? Grow up, welcome to DSL business, and take on a better cause - maybe something worth fighting for. Northpoint is dead if you havent read the papers.
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,786159 Wed, 02 May 2001 18:24:49 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,786127 GarageJoe : I tell you what why dont you "surely wouldnt respond" when your petition actually kills AT&T and they quake with fear because of your tremendous outcome of JACK SQUAT!!!!! Otherwise I would be surely amiss to even feel adequate enough to discuss with you in any forum the consequances of AT&T buying Northpoints equipment. Not only does your petition not make any sense especially this late in the game when many if not most of NP's ISP had either moved on (and with that there customers) or given up. "Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die." What a joke!!!!!!!!!!
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Ex-Northpoint, Qwest, Covad OSP Network Technician]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,786127 Wed, 02 May 2001 18:18:03 EDT Re: Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,784915 anon : I love poorly-worded, hardly grammatically sensible flames such as yours. Even if I understood what you are saying, I surely wouldn't respond.

said by GarageJoe:
Just one question Chipinphilly, if ATT were doing wrong in a situation where they OWED northpoint customers (meaning the ISP's doesnt it?) then why doesnt some government regulatory commission or agency sue for the rights of the people in which they serve? HMMMMMMMMMM
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,784915 Wed, 02 May 2001 13:45:32 EDT Just a question???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,771975 GarageJoe : Just one question Chipinphilly, if ATT were doing wrong in a situation where they OWED northpoint customers (meaning the ISP's doesnt it?) then why doesnt some government regulatory commission or agency sue for the rights of the people in which they serve? HMMMMMMMMMM
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,771975 Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:00:53 EDT Re: Fear this: AT&T petition @ 2,003 sigs! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,750128 anon : 2,003]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,750128 Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:34:43 EDT Re: AT&T petition: 1,945 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,725635 anon : 1945]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,725635 Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:03:34 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,816 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,711844 anon : 1,900]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,711844 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:58:56 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,705145 anon : I have read the back and forth on this post. Interesting. For what it is worth, I use AT&T for Long Distance and if they offer me DSL I will use it from them. I am so far from the CO that NorthPoint was my only provider and my cable company does not offer Internet Access.

I think it is a real shame that people are holding AT&T responsible for this. I have worked for large businesses and owned my own business and this is the way the world works.

Good luck
Spelling checked in Word but not guaranteed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,705145 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:17:37 EDT Re: AT&T petition: 1,865 signatures! (# 1856 R-rated) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,704731 cgcarter : Why do I get the feeling Jad is from AT&T..

Obviously he'll deny to the grave that he is not... but only someone who affiliated somehow would defend so hard.
Share holder??
Mailroom worker??
Janitor??

You gotta be in there somewhere..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,704731 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:23:51 EDT Re: AT&T petition: 1,865 signatures! (# 1856 R-rat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,704607 anon : 1865]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,704607 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:46:50 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,816 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,697801 anon : 1,816]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,697801 Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:17:01 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,725 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,696786 anon : 1816
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,696786 Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:59:15 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,725 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,696775 anon : Locally-centered wireless is a cool idea.

Personally, I've always wondered why they couldn't use a line running along the poles as an antenna. A few years ago they were talking about the death of traditional phone wires, that we were all going to wind up in some sort of a low-intensity cellular scheme with antennas on every block.

Amazing how the stuff that was in Popular Science 20 years ago is becoming popular fact. I'm still waiting for the personal helicopters!
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,696775 Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:56:03 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,725 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,689802 Jake359 :

said by jseymour:

The "one central tower serving a big radius" only works in the flatlands or other wide areas in which a significant portion of the potential subscriber base can "see" and "be seen by" the tower. Highly variable terrain, surrounding clusters of tall buildings and trees kill it.

All good points. This particular outfit seems to just be trying to fill a niche:
Put a few towers in locations where they can reach a large number of under-served users w/in a 2 mile LOS (line-of-sight) of the cell. An area like mine is a perfect example. There are a large number of homes, it is an upper-middle-class to affluent area, and it is under-served or not served at all by the telcos and wholesalers. So they have a good idea and will most likely get a lot of customers, just through word of mouth. Sticking to small under-served high demand areas such as this, will most likely make them succeed, and their growth plans seem to be to take it nice and slow, research well, and get a site up where they have a high potential. I think it'll work

and I'm jonesing for some speed after 10 days already.....
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the future is wireless...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,689802 Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:43:45 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,725 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,688655 jseymour8 :
Where I am, the quality of the lines is so bad, and the distance so far, that all I can get is what I had, 144/144 IDSL, but now at a higher price.

Yeah, well... the CLECs figured out that selling IDSL at below-cost rates and with returns on their investment in start-up costs that don't show for years doesn't make good business sense. To bad it looks like they developed that business sense too late.

There's a lil' wireless company building a tower as we speak that'll hopefully give me service, ...

I wish you luck. Truly I do. Sprint Broadband Direct (for example) didn't work out here in the Metro-Detroit area. It looks like they're either in maintenance mode (for what they did sell) or perhaps backing-out of here entirely. Or at least that's what I'm told. (Disclaimer: I haven't asked Sprint Broadband itself yet.)

I'm beginning to hear murmurs that wireless will not be the broadband savior that we'd all hoped it would be. The "one central tower serving a big radius" only works in the flatlands or other wide areas in which a significant portion of the potential subscriber base can "see" and "be seen by" the tower. Highly variable terrain, surrounding clusters of tall buildings and trees kill it. The idea of applying cellular techniques to fixed broadband access runs into a number of problems. Not the least of which are having to provide big pipes to each of the cells and having to put up the cells or micro-cells. Even mobile cellular providers are running into problems getting municipal approval for building new cells. People don't want either the visual pollution or exposure to microwave radiation in their back yards.

If all this sounds pretty grim, well that's because it is :(
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irc://irc.dal.net/#dslreports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,688655 Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:49:02 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,725 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,685855 Jake359 : Girls, girls, girls. All this gets us...nowhere. I personally like both the analogies. I could probably make a cute one up too. So we're all remarkably intelligent and eloquent. SO WHAT.

We're stuck with dialup until we can work something else out. A little warning would have been nice. We didn't get it. My anger is mostly directed at my ISP, who basically now offers me nothing and dropped my contract, and my whole class of service, like a hot potato (or potatoe even, wouldn't want to spell anything wrong). Where I am, the quality of the lines is so bad, and the distance so far, that all I can get is what I had, 144/144 IDSL, but now at a higher price. There's a lil' wireless company building a tower as we speak that'll hopefully give me service, at a reasonable price, and 10x the speed, within about two weeks. So I'll deal with it. And I'll probably keep my domain hosting and email etc. with XO, as I can get just that a la carte for pretty cheap, and I won't have to go through more pains to move it elsewhere.

AT&T is not, unfortunately, at fault. It would have been nice for them to step up, but the didn't, and really why should they. NorthPoint ran it's business into the ground, but they don't exist to be mad at anymore. I personally think Liz could've coughed up her bonus and her exorbitant salary. But I wouldn't have, and neither will she.

I'm mad at Qwest, whose infrastructure is so crappy I can't get decent service, just 9 miles from a major metropolitan area. And the town I live in has the greatest population density of any in the state, and is serviced by one CO. Ridiculous. it's the dang 21st Century man, and they still hook us up with tin cans and string. I'm going wireless baby, as soon as possible. Wires are 19th Century technology.

Beam me up.
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the opinions expressed are those of the author. your mileage may vary. the surgeon general has made no determination as to the health benefits of this post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,685855 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:11:06 EDT Re: Emotion ruling over logic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,685118 anon : who cares about finding out who did what and why its all a waste of time the point is you have no service the quickest method is to continue to get everyone up and running. You can cry injustice whatever...u can sit here and cry for all i care, i don't. It doesn't matter AT&T has no obligation to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,685118 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:06:39 EDT Re: Emotion ruling over logic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,684718 anon : blah blah blah... I'm dealing, the order is in for a new line through another CLEC and ISP.

And no, not all of this is for nothing. Many small businesses saw their data stream and their cash stream interdicted in the same stroke. Injustice demands reaction.

Someone should have done something to provide an out for the thousands and thousands of commercial accounts. Logically, since AT&T purchased the important bits that would have helped sustain the network, the better choice would have been for them to create some sort of ad-hoc lash-up to ease people through the crisis, especially given the depth of their pockets.

Instead, everyone involved, the court, AT&T, NorthPoint, and the ISPs seem to be trying to walk away, whistling, with their hands in their pockets as if nothing happened. The profundity of 120,000 entities losing their connection at once transcends the normalcy of a simple BK liquidation and creates a situation that calls for new rules, new laws and an inquest. Were you a stockholder of NorthPoint, I'm sure that you would be more interested in discovering the truth, especially since it's rumored that Fetter pocketed a $45K bonus one day before she signed her resignation and broke camp.

Something stinks, and neither you nor a hundred trolls are going to dissuade me from finding out what the source of the stench is.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,684718 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:33:44 EDT Re: Emotion ruling over logic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,684471 anon : u guys are really sad....i understand that ur dsl is out and its a very big inconvenience to everyone but think about what ur doing. Its a waste of time. Why do all of this for nothing. AT&T has no obligation to anyone, they bought the equipment fair and square, if anything you should be cryin to northpoint, which wouldn't help either...newayz the point is that ur spending all this time and emotion and things that do now really matter.....deal with it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,684471 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:21:13 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683985 anon : One more thing:

This was the fortune that popped up after I posted my reply to that amusing opinion within the petition:

Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men
have mediocrity thrust upon them.

-- Joseph Heller, "Catch-22"

Since I already got mine for the day, I wonder to whom it belongs?
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683985 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:25:54 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683974 anon : Here's number 1698 on the AT&T petition:

go ATT !! great decision and goodluck on utilizing the new equipment, you did nothing wrong and these people are trying to hold you to blame for the demis of northpoint, which you played no part in, this petition is nothing but a testament to several peoples inability to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Now, then... who could this be, with their grammar, spelling, capitalization, and typing skills? I guess it doesn't really matter. 1 comment out of 1705 is .05865102639 percent, just a little less than 1 percent, wouldn't you say? Thanks for the bump.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683974 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:22:26 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683540 anon : thanks for the spelling and grammar lesson, this guy edits my posts for me and he tells me to find something better to do ? AND he did it all with a dialup connection lol
as far as getting something to do why dont you fire up that 56k modem and search for another DSL company, in case you hadnt heard northpoint got shut down, LOL.

im sure ATT is preparing to die since you started that petition, oooooooh.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683540 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:01:46 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683104 anon :

said by jadtexas:
lol, thank you chip, it seems when you have nothing intelligent to say you respond with crude insults as evidenced in your prev posts, maybe it makes you feel more adequate *shrug*

ie the six fingered cousins remark

all i have to say is good luck on your ridiculous boycott and lawsuit campaign , to bad you cant sue someone for being an idiot, you would be rich.

Okay, try it like this:

LOL, thank you, Chip. It seems that, when you have nothing intelligent to say, you respond with crude insults, as evidenced in your previous posts; maybe it makes you feel more adequate, [*shrug*] e.g., the six fingered cousins remark.

All I have to say is good luck on your ridiculous boycott and lawsuit campaign. Too bad you can't sue someone for being an idiot, you would be rich.

There... all corrected for you.

They say that poor spelling and grammar on the 'Net is the equivalent of bad breath and BO. Have a Tic Tac and some Right Guard, then, my good man.

Oh, yes, i.e. and e.g. don't mean the same thing. Illud est means "that is," and is used in place of "namely" or "viz." The other one, e.g., means "free example." Have a care with the way you use them, please.

Back, then, to my gift of toiletries to you: I'm not sure that they can overcome the stench of flatulence and the odor of glycerin that hang about you like a damp fog. Not only are you an orifice, but you are a dysfunctional one at that. Nonetheless, I thank you for the opportunity to impart an English lesson.

I'm amazed that you have so little to do that you've researched my past postings. Perhaps, with luck, you'll develop some outside interests and finally get a tan and start brushing those teeth.

Ta-ta.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683104 Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:02:42 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683046 anon : one other thing, the comparing ATT's decision to not buy the customer base of northpoint and someone's withholding of water or food from you is patently ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683046 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:48:35 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683005 anon : lol, thank you chip, it seems when you have nothing intelligent to say you respond with crude insults as evidenced in your prev posts, maybe it makes you feel more adequate *shrug*

ie the six fingered cousins remark

all i have to say is good luck on your ridiculous boycott and lawsuit campaign , to bad you cant sue someone for being an idiot, you would be rich.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,683005 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:40:20 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,682965 anon :

said by jadtexas:
what a bunch of misinformed people.

Thank you, Jad. It's always nice to be corrected by a complete stranger who is both rude and impolite.

I've seen the web article that you just paraded before our eyes. It was on »www.overclockers.com, I believe. One of your well-meaning six-fingered cousins already pointed out the error of my ways with this same parable of the two bars.

I read it, I understand it, but I don't agree with it. Let's change the scenario around a bit, shall we?

Let's say that instead of the two bars, the one run by a foolish twit with no business sense, and the other one run by a sensible business man who avails himself of an excellent bargain, that we're talking about two oases in the center of the desert.

The first oasis, poorly managed, is overrun by people and animals eager to drink water cheaply. Soon, the first oasis no longer has potable water, because of the general rush of the masses, the sand and the silt, the general lack of care, and the fact that the first oasis had set too low a price on its commodity. Despite the fact that the first oasis has been destroyed through ignorance, the people and animals still thirst.

The second oasis is closely guarded and the owners allow no one to drink, and then, in the failure of the first oasis, they buy up not the tables and the taps and the bar-back, as in the story of the bars, but instead they buy the water itself, pump it through a filtration system to clean it, and then store it in hopes of putting it to commercial advantage.

The people who were the clients of the first oasis, despite their stupidity in not being responsible customers, still need the water that is now in the hands of the second oasis. They have everything that they need to drink the water: cups, bottles, straws, glasses. But the second oasis, even though they know that the water is like life itself for the thirsty people, refuses to consider the greater good or to formulate a plan by which the thirsty can continue to drink, albeit in a more controlled and considered fashion. Instead, they choose to charge much more than some of the people can afford, to use the rest of the water for other purposes, and to act in such a fashion as to make the people distrust and hate them.

With this parable I hope all of you who think we are whiners can come to see how some of us feel in all of this. We would gladly have responded, had we known the alternative, to our ISPs and to NorthPoint with support had the chance been offered to us.

I for one would gladly have paid $20, or $30, or even $40 more per month to continue the service that I had. Instead, it appears that we are going to be in the hands of the ILECs, who offer much less for much more and no service whatsoever.
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Hello. My name is Chipinphilly. You killed my DSL. Prepare to die.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,682965 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:32:50 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,682278 anon : what a bunch of misinformed people. how can you possibly blame ATT for this ??? its like blaming the person who buys something at a bankruptcy sale or auction for the failure of the business. it makes no sense. if you are really angry why dont u ask your ISP's if they PAID northpoint fully and on time, thats one of the main reasons northpoint went under, ISP's failing to pay them.

read this

"The Biggest Is Not Always The Wrongest"
Ed Stroligo - 4/3/01

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Let us look at what happened here:

Northpoint provided wholesale DSL services to ISPs. Like a lot of dot.coms, they thought they had to get big fast, so they spent a ton of money and offered sweetheart deals. They charged too little to even cover the actual costs of running the network, and a lot of ISPs didn't even pay that.

Northpoint knew they were in trouble and sought a merger with Verizon (an offspring on one of the Baby Bells). Verizon backed off principally when they found that Northpoint wasn't too truthful about the revenues they were getting (the Securities and Exchange Commission forced Northpoint to be more honest about that, and a quarter of their claimed revenues went out the window).

Northpoint declared bankruptcy late January, and tried to find a new partner to take them over. They couldn't.

When you go into bankruptcy, there are trustees appointed whose job is to either try to get the business back on its feet again, or at least salvage as much money from the operation as possible to pay off debtors and shareholders.

There were two sets of negotiations going on here. One was with AT&T, one with Northpoint's ISPs.

AT&T is a retail DSL provider. That means AT&T provides you with the service, and you pay them for it. Northpoint was a wholesale DSL provider. Northpoint didn't directly provide you with the service, their customers were the ISPs. You didn't pay Northpoint directly, you paid your ISP.

It's the difference between your supermarket and the wholesaler who provides food to the supermarket. What does this have to do with AT&T picking up or not picking up customers? AT&T couldn't pick you up directly as a customer from Northpoint, because you weren't Northpoint's customer. You were the ISPs' customer, and if AT&T had tried, every ISP would have sued the pants off AT&T for stealing their customers, and they would be right and win in court.

Nobody else wanted Northpoint's operations, for very good reason. If there had been another buyer who was willing to take over the business, Northpoint would have gone to them. If I were in AT&T's shoes, I wouldn't have touched them with a ten-foot pole, and here's why

Imagine two bars in your neighborhood. One charges a quarter a beer, and most of the customers run up big tabs, and pay them months later or not at all. That bar goes bankrupt. If you owned the other bar, and those deadbeats ran over to your bar and insisted on quarter beers and unlimited tabs, what would you say? It's your bar, customers are going to follow your rules, not the rules that caused your competitor to go bankrupt

You would do that even if you decided to buy the barstools and tables and beer spouts and brought them over to your place. That's essentially what AT&T did. That's a lot different than buying the whole bar and running it under different management.

Even when Northpoint was trying to negotiate with the ISPs to stay up long enough to give the ISPs a chance to find new DSL providers, these deadbeats were still trying to milk the dead horse. They offered far less money than it would have actually cost Northpoint to keep the network up. Northpoint would have spent all of its remaining cash just to do that.

But remember, Northpoint couldn't have decided that even if they wanted to, they're under the control of bankruptcy trustees, who have a legal obligation to preserve the assets of the company. These trustees would have been in huge legal trouble if they had OK'd something like that. So they didn't, and I'm sure they told Northpoint to pull the plug when it became obvious the ISPs weren't going to pay a reasonable amount to keep the system up for a little while.

If AT&T had done nothing, they wouldn't be getting blamed for this. If they had waited a week or two to buy the building and servers, they wouldn't be getting blamed for this. Northpoint would have pulled the plug anyway.

AT&T did not pull the plug on anybody. Northpoint pulled the plug because the ISPs wouldn't pony up enough cash to keep it going for a few more weeks. Blaming AT&T rather than the ISPs is like blaming the guy who buys the bar fixtures for the bar going bankrupt, not the deadbeat customers who didn't pay their bills.

You may ask, "Why didn't AT&T buy the bar rather than just the bar fixtures?" The answer is simple; it was a lousy business. You don't buy lousy businesses and keep running them the same way.

If you ask, "Why didn't AT&T provide transitional funding?" let me ask you, "Why didn't the ISPs?" Who was using Northpoint? Not AT&T, the ISPs. Why were the ISPs only offering $3.2 million dollars, when at least $15 million would have been more like it? It's like insisting that the guy who buys the bar fixtures has to provide quarter beers and unlimited tabs to all the deadbeats for a month, rather than saying the deadbeats should at least pay their tabs and pay at least as much as the beer costs.

If you say, "AT&T should have done this for goodwill," what about the ISPs? They actually signed a contract with you saying they'd provide the service. Don't you think they have far more reason to care about the goodwill of their own customers than AT&T? Why do they get off the hook when it comes to goodwill?

The truth is they didn't give a damn about you. If they had, they would have ponied up enough cash to keep Northpoint going for a few weeks. They played chicken with Northpoint over your service, and they lost.

If somebody told you, "I want you to pay $15 million so somebody else can get a free ride" what would you tell them? This is like telling the guy buying the bar fixtures, "If you want the bar fixtures, on top of the fair price for the bar fixtures, you got to pick up some of the unpaid tabs, and keep the deadbeats drinking for a couple more weeks." Would you do that? If you wouldn't, then why should AT&T?

If the ISPs had come up with a reasonable amount of money, this would not have happened. They refused, so Northpoint pulled the plug.

Whose fault is that?

I'm not saying you shouldn't be mad, I'm just saying at whom you should be mad.

If I were you, this is what I would do:

I would write to my ISP. I would ask them if they paid their bills to Northpoint on time, and if they didn't, why they didn't care enough about you to do so.

I would ask them if they owe any money to Northpoint, and if they do, why they didn't care enough about you not to.

I would ask them why they didn't care enough about you to come up with any contingency plans to shift you over given that they were dealing with a bankrupt company with nobody interested in buying them as a business.

I would ask them why they didn't care enough about you to notice that Northpoint was running out of money, as put on public record in statements filed with the SEC by the bankruptcy trustees (it took me a whopping ten minutes to find that out).

Then I would wait for, but not expect, an answer.

I wouldn't blame the guy who bought the barstools. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,682278 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:29:17 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678774 deltat2000 : Last update I sent you via this thread mysteriously has disapeared @11:pm cst
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The Future Is Purchased By The Present!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678774 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:12:48 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678772 deltat2000 : Last update I sent you via this thread mysteriously has disapeared @11:pm cst
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The Future Is Purchased By The Present!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678772 Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:12:37 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678633 deltat2000 : Its 10:15pm cst here, and we just got home Chip......it was sometimes ugly...lmao......and sometimes wonderful to see the industry leaders...lol and the end users collide.....I spent some time with a couple of eu's from alaska, and we cruised the booths together.......at about 2:30pm..a couple of att people came on the floor....they saw the looks on our faces as we saw their badges and took the opportunity to flee the building, via the underground loading docks...last I saw of them, they were in the back of a checker cab and heading back towards Lakeshore Drive..spent some time acquiring some new hardware to test while Peg, my better half passed out resumes to all the career booth....as she graduates this spring....I think she wants to be a systems analyst when she grows up...lol....and we both campaigned for the petition.....(you should see a significant jump in the numbers as soon as these people get home from the show...which by the way ends tomorrow.....oh...and another thing....I have been invited to work the S*rint booth tomorrow.....as I was so successful directing anyone who mentioned dsl-hell to their booth......who knows...I may even have stumbled into a new career path..lol
The mood was very somber....the show was not well attended this year and only took up space in one building.....where it used to fill 2 buildings to capacity.
I was able to network with several of my friends @Lucent...and we spent an hour.sharing our experiences with dsl and wireless........they beleive that the current model is doomed......that it will eventually become the sole domain of the telco's....that the current situation is attributed to the presence of too many players on the field..players that had little prior experience providing connectivity on such a large scale....that they didn't invest enough in their support structure...before the marketing wizs like the f*rr*t started making those extravagant promises to attrack herds of users...their words not mine....those were from the mouth of a vp of broadband dev. Their outlook was upbeat about wireless as they have just done a deal to do G3 site thru out the us for a major telco.....so you guys in the boondocks who never had chance to get dsl, can look forward to wireless in your area soon...they even have a cost to user analysis...they project it to be in the 35 to 40 $ range.
Kinda makes you think doesn't it!

Well my friend....I have had way too much caffiene and not enough sleep.....time to go rest, and get ready for tomorrow...till then friends..
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The Future Is Purchased By The Present!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678633 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:43:41 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,622 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678609 kenyg : You can print mine, I'm probably in the top 10-20 myself. Also, you can add XO as another company I'll never do business with again. My only satisfaction today, has been watching their stock slide...

Ken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,678609 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:37:35 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,677703 anon : So when do we get the after-action reports from Comdex, slugger?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,677703 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:21:07 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,677661 Jake359 : PRINT ME BABY]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,677661 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:13:35 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675976 cgcarter : Didn't make the top 20...but... I permit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675976 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:22:16 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675959 anon : Please do... I'm in the top twenty myself. Perhaps you should check with the author of the petition, however. Try emailing him at mailto:lostmydsl@netzero.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675959 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:16:53 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675888 julex : I permit. I'm somewhere at first 100 or 200 position.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675888 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:51:24 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675802 deltat2000 : I am officially requesting permission to print and passout petition @ Comdex2001.....reply to this post to authorize please......I will check it from the the floor of the show!
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The Future Is Purchased By The Present!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675802 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:26:48 EDT Re: Keep signing and counting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675319 anon : 1571]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,675319 Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:13:53 EDT Keep signing and counting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,673877 anon : Thanks to everyone who has signed, and thanks to ChipinPhilly for keeping the momentum going.

This IS getting a message across to some people, especially at AT&T]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,673877 Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:59:41 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,672128 anon : 1,500+]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,672128 Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:18:08 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,669980 anon : The silence was deafening.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,669980 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:09:29 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668238 anon : Do you connect through NorthPoint/ Or, at this point, did you? Do you connect through another CLEC that might be eaten alive one day by BellSouth or AT&T? Do you like freedom of choice when it comes to high speed data services? Are you outraged, even in the least, that 120,000 "people" were shut down with little or no warning, and that it could happen to you, too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668238 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:41:20 EDT . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668234 anon : .
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668234 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:40:18 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668232 cgcarter : So once again me being a Georgia residential subscriber....
What is this petition supposed to do for me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668232 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:37:21 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,372 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668225 millman : just kidding...you are right...more people are reading this than you can imagine]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668225 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:34:45 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668218 anon : I see you read my disclaimer first post on this thread? Actually, the media is paying attention to the issue, the petition especially, and I have been in touch with two different state legislators here in PA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668218 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:32:32 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668203 millman : therapeutic...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668203 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:30:08 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668191 cgcarter : And just what is this petition supposed to do for us?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668191 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:27:53 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668071 mondoz : 1372 Now....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,668071 Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:00:15 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,665523 anon : Is 1,242 enough?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,665523 Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:36:27 EDT Re: Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,661524 anon : You want me to wait until it hits 1,500 to update it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,661524 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:47:04 EDT Re: AT&T petition watch: 1,043 signatures! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,661130 dsl_boy :

said by Chipinphilly:
That's all for now from me.

No, say it isn't so! I was so looking forward to your next post: AT&T petition watch: 1,044 signatures!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,661130 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:41:24 EDT Re: Emotion ruling over logic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660790 anon :

said by deakonblues2k:
It is unfortunate to read through your petition and see all those innocent customers being stirred into a frenzy to make more stupid choices.

1) AT&T is stable and will remain so. They will be beneficial to an industry which is in desperate need of some stability.

So, we accept them because they're stable? Stalinist Russia was stable, too. Yes, the industry needs stability, but not stability in the aftermath of the shoddy treatment of 120,000+ end users.

I'll go with Rythms or Covad even it they only have two cans and a piece of string to offer me. And you watch, AT&T will attempt to starve out as many of the small fry as possible with impossible-to-pass-up combination deals. Once the competition is gone, who knows?

More than stability, the industry needs regulation to protect end users from the predations of raiders.

said by deakonblues2k:
2) 100 1000 or 10000 or even 100000 customers dropping services from AT&T will mean nothing to them. They won't even see it as a blip. Why? Cause they know you'll be back.
In the end, if AT&T provides the best service, they will get your business

How dare you presume to speak to my sense of purpose or the depth of my commitment to dropping any further dealings with AT&T?

I am not a damned blip, thank you.

said by deakonblues2k:
3) Northpoint suffered from not controling their own marketplace. Why would you wish this same fate on AT&T's own dsl rollout?

All for now

If AT&T wanted to have a smooth rollout of their own DSL product (believe me, pal., it looks like a lot of the hardware purchased from NPNT is going over to voice service, depending on relative penetration in individual markets), wouldn't it have made sense to do so without spending millions upon millions on marketing costs, not to mention all the skepticism and downright hatred that they're going to have to brook, even if their commitment to DSL is as strong as you think it is?

Just because I buy a car doesn't mean that I'm going to use it to take myself back and forth to work five days a week. Yellow paint and a meter turn it into a taxi cab. And in this way, AT&T isn't going to be forced to use the equipment in one way or another unless a governmental entity steps in and forces their hand.

That's all for now from me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660790 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:48:41 EDT Emotion ruling over logic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660221 anon : It is unfortunate to read through your petition and see all those innocent customers being stirred into a frenzy to make more stupid choices.

1) AT&T is stable and will remain so. They will be beneficial to an industry which is in desperate need of some stability.

2) 100 1000 or 10000 or even 100000 customers dropping services from AT&T will mean nothing to them. They won't even see it as a blip. Why? Cause they know you'll be back.
In the end, if AT&T provides the best service, they will get your business

3) Northpoint suffered from not controling their own marketplace. Why would you wish this same fate on AT&T's own dsl rollout?

All for now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660221 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:56:13 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660133 anon : over 1K!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,660133 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:31:38 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,659507 anon :

said by kingdomware:
Don't forget the 248 letters sent from »www.consumers4northpoint.org before it went down. This was the site that Dave W. created before he was forced to shutdown. So we really have over 1100 signatures.

Thanks Dave and Sal. Wounded in battle :)

Their sacrifice is duly noted, and it is my distinct pleasure to award them both the Splooge de Sirop d'Erabe, with the "V" device for valor and a Maple Leaf Cluster for gallantry.

Almost forgot, they also qualify for the AT&T campaign ribbon as well.

(if you don't get it, do a search for "pancakes" on the board!)
[text was edited by author 2001-03-31 11:31:53]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,659507 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:28:13 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,659012 kingdomware : Don't forget the 248 letters sent from »www.consumers4northpoint.org before it went down. This was the site that Dave W. created before he was forced to shutdown. So we really have over 1100 signatures.

Thanks Dave and Sal. Wounded in battle :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,659012 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:41:09 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,658947 anon : Thanks for helping out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,658947 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:08:47 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,658232 deltat2000 : Just added my signature......for whatever good it will do...but AT&T can kiss all my business goodbye!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,658232 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:38:06 EDT Re: 535 signatures now on the AT&T petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,657739 anon : !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,657739 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:48:01 EDT Re: 535 signatures now on the AT&T petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656808 anon : and yet again]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656808 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:37:48 EDT Re: 535 signatures now on the AT&T petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656236 anon : and again...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656236 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:40:30 EDT Re: 535 signatures now on the AT&T petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656116 anon :

said by Cire:
563 Signatures Total

Thank you, Cire... look again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,656116 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:18:03 EDT Re: 535 signatures now on the AT&T petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,653953 Cire7 : 563 Signatures Total]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,653953 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:52:51 EDT Re: 514 signatures now on the petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,653382 anon : For' ard, march!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,653382 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:54:36 EDT Re: 514 signatures now on the petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,652539 anon : **non-egotistical positional adjustment**]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,652539 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:03:21 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,650475 anon : that one up there '|` '|` '|`]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,650475 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:59:46 EDT Re: What petition? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,649591 anon : This petition:

»www.PetitionOnline.com/StopATT/petition.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,649591 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:33:59 EDT Re: 395 signatures now on the petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,649306 fhmiller5 : what petition?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,649306 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:16:19 EDT Re: 383 signatures now on the petition... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,648367 anon : *bump* (just so you can see how far this went)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,648367 Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:09:31 EDT Re: 26 signatures at last count on the petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,635559 kenyg : I posted it over at sysopt.com - hope it helps.

Ken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,635559 Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:48:14 EDT Fear this: AT&T petition @ _-* 2159 *-_ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,635539 anon : »www.PetitionOnline.com/StopATT/p···on.html

All sigs sign, sign for great justice!

Just to clear this up for the thick-headed shark-doggy types who keep on lurching out from underneath the bridge: this isn't my petition.

Someone else thought it up, and someone else wrote out the letter that goes with it. I just use this thread to report on its progress, nothing more.

Yes, I do support the notion that AT&T could have handled this in a much friendlier way that would have even been a win-win. And yes, I, too, signed the petition.

So please, go somewhere else for your thrills. And don't do anything that's going to make me call the SPCA or the Youth Authority to investigate you.
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