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reply to batageek

Re: Naperville

reply to batageek
batageek - I never said that muni would be more expensive, so please don't put words in my mouth. You just confirmed that T-1s are not $750 and up, but rather $399 (even less than I said).

As to the definition of broadband, different people have different definitions. It is, however, a DSL option (after all, most ADSL is limited to 128k up - less than IDSL!)

Regaring the extrapolation - that's where we differ - I don't believe it is proper to extrapolate with 60 million dollars of taxpayer money.
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Splitting hairs...A frac T1 is not a T1. No one was talking about frac t1's. Whatever....argue away...you want to pay more to a private company, go right ahead. I want to pay for whatever gives me the most reliable service at the cheapest price. If the cities can do this, without taxing the populace, than I'm all for it.

You're free to suffer away and pay more.
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reply to AuroraJock
If 60% of voters means they didn't want muni broadband what does that 40% represent? I would speculate (IMO) that some subscribers might be gained from some folks in that 40%. To think otherwise is foolish.

Am I to assume if you say "75% of the people want it!" and you consider that a lie than when someone says 60% of those surveyed don't want it-that's a lie also? There weren't even 50% of registered voters at this election and even fewer who participated in answering the bb question....were the 60%-40% very misleading numbers in this case? Or just in the case of the survey?

Spin the numbers to fit any argument you want to argue.

BTW-the pro-broadband folks who are "lying" about numbers and residents who want to sign up for broadband....where did you get that information? TV commercials? In your mailbox? In full-page ads in your newspapers? People going door-to-door with false numbers and misinformation? Who and where?

I bet I know....posted on message boards where opinions are expressed.

And that $750 on up is what some downtown businesses in Batavia pay for the fast connections they need....not $399 for a frac-T (which is not considered a true T1 line).

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reply to batageek

said by batageek:

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Actually Rav, they were proposing G.O. Bonds. Lower interest rates and much easier to sell in the wake of telco dives.

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reply to AuroraJock

said by AuroraJock:

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I never claimed that the network would only deliver pornography you jackass! You best apologize for that statement. Your arguments lend no credibility with you making up statements like that.

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said by AuroraJock:

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"Do you believe it is proper to spend taxpayer money on the electronic delivery of pornography?"

Not a lie. Unethical, yes, but a blatant lie to the community?

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said by AuroraJock:

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I didn't know that a rhetorical question could be defined as lie.

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said by AuroraJock:

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I don't want to HAVE to show up to town meetings to lobby against something

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Huh?? The pornography statement was YOURS. Then you claim it was ME that stating that?? You are making false accusations because your arguments aren't holding much water. This message thread is about a community in Illinois, not NH - so go start your own discussion.

reply to batageek
A frac T-1 is not a T-1?? Huh?? I guess a 768/128 DSL is NOT a DSL either - because it's not 1.5/256... right??

Come on. A fractional T-1 is ABSOLUTELY a T-1. Your now trying to disguise the fact that proponents, on this board and on the tricity board are spreading misinformation that they only start at $750... Hmmm.

reply to Octopussy2
A frac T-1 is considered a true T-1, you people just don't want to acknowledge that because it works against your misinformation. And yes, I get my info from this board and others because the citizen funding support for tricity broadband just not justify commercials, advertising, etc., but rather a grassroots effort. Unfortunately, thats how grassroots efforts work - word of mouth, message boards, etc.

With regard to the numbers, yes, you can spin them any way you want - but my point is that proponents need to convince the public to build this. Not the other way around. I've said it before, I'll say it again... 6500 people is not enough to justify the network. So, you've got 2 choices, 1. Put it on the ballot again next year - in which you'll be surfing in 2005/2006 -or- 2. Get private funding and start construction now.

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When people say T1, they think T1 - 1.5 up, 1.5 down.

Spin away Jock!

That's your opinion about T-1s, not fact.

Whatever......Fight yourself....I'm done.